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Tap vs. Ocpd #77202
05/10/01 08:01 PM
05/10/01 08:01 PM
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sparky  Offline OP
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This is somewhat of a borrowed Q i thought i'd bring to this forum.

Taps are made , resulting in a conductors served from larger OCPD's, this is primarily addressed in 240-21
(b)feeders
(c)Xformers
(d)service cond.
(e)busway's
(f)motor circuits
(g)genny's

so how would the conductors included in
T310-15(b)(6) or T430-72(b) be defined in light of this?
( or are they meant as d & f ?)

any conjecture, speculation, etc...?
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Re: Tap vs. Ocpd #77203
05/11/01 01:30 AM
05/11/01 01:30 AM
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Steve,

On the first table [if I am looking at the right one], I would say that the demand on free air feeders would be only high for minute times - not exceeding an hour or so.

On the other table T430-72 (b), I have some referenced notes that came with my 99 NEC, which edits the printed text.

In that note, there's a few points towards values of 400% of 310-17's 60 degree table, plus 300% of 310-16's 60 degree table.

I'm not exactly sure what level of current would cause a #10 cu to fry, but 160 amps would be at least close enough.

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Re: Tap vs. Ocpd #77204
05/11/01 05:14 AM
05/11/01 05:14 AM
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Thanks Scott!
yes, i find it interesting how the NEC defines protection in given situations. We tend to think in fixed numbers for conductors, yet this is frequently not so. The original Q eluded to just how far one can fanegal this in the NEC

Also the 'tap rules' as they are know, are not only to be smaller wires 'tapped' into larger wires, but also smaller wires directly introduced to larger OCPD's

This , although the end result is the same, creates a little focus on the definitional aspects of the practice.

The only guidance in those terms i have found is 240-3(e)

I just thought i'd throw it out for the BB's thoughts

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