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#69960 - 09/26/06 02:12 PM back up generators  
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I am installing a 35 kw generator to backup a 70 amp 3 phase sub panel. My question is if the building has a delta high leg service, will this effect the generator?


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#69961 - 09/26/06 02:34 PM Re: back up generators  
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ASSume voltage is 120/240 center tapped delta.

What are the loads on the sub panel? All single phase, all 3 phase, or mixed? If mixed, can the generator supply them, or are you going to use a transformer? Remember the issues with SDS and grounding through transfer switches.


#69962 - 09/26/06 03:27 PM Re: back up generators  
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With the 3-3 phase refridgerator units and single phase 240v water pump each leg was drawing around 31 amps apiece. Thera are other small loads.


#69963 - 09/26/06 03:34 PM Re: back up generators  
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Can you get a generator that will supply 120/240 3 phase 4 wire?
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#69964 - 09/29/06 10:06 AM Re: back up generators  
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the guardian type. They make 3 phase generators


#69965 - 09/29/06 10:33 AM Re: back up generators  
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jersy,
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the guardian type. They make 3 phase generators

They are all 3 phase wye connected units. That is not the same as a 3 phase delta system with a high leg. I have never seen a generator that could be connected 3 phase delta with a high leg. I have only seen that configeration on transformers.
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#69966 - 09/29/06 01:40 PM Re: back up generators  
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When I repaired generators many years ago, the small gennys on reefer trucks were 3 phase 240 delta. I don't know if they where available in anything larger than 5 or 10 KW.

If the Guardian you are talking about has a 12 lead alternator, you could rewire it for 120/240 delta with a high leg. I would check with the factory about the maximum unbalanced load.

Larry


#69967 - 09/30/06 10:11 AM Re: back up generators  
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Larry,
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If the Guardian you are talking about has a 12 lead alternator, you could rewire it for 120/240 delta with a high leg.

I didn't look at all of the wiring diagrams, but on the ones that I did look at, the center of the wye was an internal connection.
Don


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#69968 - 10/05/06 10:52 AM Re: back up generators  
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Just talked to guardian . There 3 phase units not compatible with a delta system. I have a meat packing plant that needs emergency back-up . Power always goes out they dont want there meat to go bad. Is ther an other way to go?


#69969 - 10/05/06 11:04 AM Re: back up generators  
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one more question , Why would it matter if the back-up generator Was a wye ? The equipment would work 3 phase, delta or wye connected


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