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#63690 - 03/24/06 12:46 AM 2- 30amp receps  
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i was just reading another topic from another forum about having 2 30a 220v receptacles on one circuit (welder and compressor) on one 30 amp breaker.(not being used at the same time0).Is this a safe practice? To my knowledge this shouldnt be done regardless if you dont operate at the same time....what do you think?


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#63691 - 03/24/06 02:08 AM Re: 2- 30amp receps  
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Why not?
I don't know of anything that says you can't have 2 receptacle outlets on a 30a circuit.


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#63692 - 03/24/06 04:12 AM Re: 2- 30amp receps  
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Depends on the load.... 210.21+210.23

And no, over-all I don't think it a safe or wise practice. There is no guarantee of only one in use at a time. One device cycles automaticaly, the other is a welder. [Linked Image] See 630... Although a welder is intermitant, and it is allowed to have multiple welders on the same circuit the OCP and wire size rules are expanded, and differ slightly from a normal branch circuit.

Without knowing the data plates and circuit particulars, I would say, no.


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#63693 - 03/24/06 04:28 AM Re: 2- 30amp receps  
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Double pole - double throw switch?


#63694 - 03/24/06 05:35 AM Re: 2- 30amp receps  
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All of us install multiple receptacle outlets on 15 and 20 amp circuits all the time with no idea at all what will be plugged into them.

Why would this practice suddenly become unsafe once we move to 30 amp circuits?

Article 630 gives us some options for saving money when supplying welders but we do not have to use those options, we can supply a welder with a 30 amp cord cap with a 'standard' 30 amp branch circuit.

I see no NEC reason not to do this, it in my opinion is a design choice.

If the person paying the bill tells me they are fine with one circuit I would have no problem supplying them with one circuit once I explained the circuit may trip if both units operate at the same time.

Bob


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#63695 - 03/24/06 08:28 AM Re: 2- 30amp receps  
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I agree with Bob.
If both units are used at the same time... the circuit breaker will open...exactly what the NEC wants to happen... but the customer, if not warned will not be too happy.


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#63696 - 03/24/06 11:26 AM Re: 2- 30amp receps  
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Assuming the nameplates require similar circuits, I see no problem.

BUT- that's a big assumption. The two appliances are treated quite differently as to wire sizing and over-current protection; Just because they have the same plug is no guarantee. Nevertheless, in Harry Homowners' garage, where Harry is going to putz around solo, it ought to work out OK.
Change that to a guy trying to run a business in his garage....and my answer will change.


#63697 - 03/24/06 01:38 PM Re: 2- 30amp receps  
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I am fixin' to do exactly the same thing with my welder and a new pressure cleaner I just ordered. In a practical sense I know I could unplug one and plug in the other but I am going to install another receptacle.


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#63698 - 03/24/06 02:50 PM Re: 2- 30amp receps  
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I did the same thing at a big honkin' laboratory complex a few years ago. Each lab had a piece of equipment that the staff would roll to different places in the lab based on their particular research project. There were 3 possible locations, but each lab only had 1 machine...1 circuit, 3 receptacles.
Worked great.
No problems...Code or otherwise.


Ghost307

#63699 - 03/24/06 03:51 PM Re: 2- 30amp receps  
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Please tell an innocent European why two appliances with the same voltage and amp draw would need different wire? I assume with some loads you could downsize some for cycling, but generally 30 amps are 30 amps, right?
Trip characteristics are a different piece of cake of course.

I think mainly it's a design thing - we usually put our CEE receptacles on dedicated circuits, so they can be loaded to their full ampacity.


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