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Mixing voltages, marking requirements #61143
01/17/06 08:16 PM
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highground  Offline OP
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What exactly is required when mixing voltages, ie. 208 & 277 in the same J-Boxes and conduits.
As far as labeling, color codes etc.
I know what is preferable, but what is required by code.
Thanks in Advance.

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Re: Mixing voltages, marking requirements #61144
01/17/06 08:52 PM
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They need to be separated by a non-conductive barrier.

Re: Mixing voltages, marking requirements #61145
01/17/06 08:59 PM
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iwire  Offline
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No barrier is required unless two devices in the same box have more than 300 volts between them.


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Re: Mixing voltages, marking requirements #61146
01/17/06 09:50 PM
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.....And at least one of those devices is a snap switch

Re: Mixing voltages, marking requirements #61147
01/17/06 11:16 PM
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Don't all of the conductors have to have an insulation rating appropriate for the highest voltage used?
Joe

Re: Mixing voltages, marking requirements #61148
01/19/06 09:17 AM
01/19/06 09:17 AM
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Yes, they do.
All of the Building Wire that I'm accustomed to working with has insulation rated at 600V, so it would qualify for highground's original query.

Now my question:
What is the insulation rating of Cat5/Cat6 etc. cable?
How about Bell Wire/Thermostat Wire?

Re: Mixing voltages, marking requirements #61149
01/19/06 01:42 PM
01/19/06 01:42 PM
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Quote
Now my question:
What is the insulation rating of Cat5/Cat6 etc. cable?
How about Bell Wire/Thermostat Wire?


Most CAT5/6 I've seen is rated at 300 volts. I'll check back on the new CAT6 I just used on a job, it's in the warehouse...

I've seen t-stat wire at both 150v and 300 volts. Not sure about bell wire.

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? [Linked Image]


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Re: Mixing voltages, marking requirements #61150
01/19/06 02:19 PM
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What exactly is required when mixing voltages, ie. 208 & 277 in the same J-Boxes and conduits.
As far as labeling, color codes etc

See 210.5 in the 2005 NEC.
Don

the code section should be 210.5(C)

[This message has been edited by resqcapt19 (edited 01-19-2006).]


Don(resqcapt19)
Re: Mixing voltages, marking requirements #61151
01/19/06 02:22 PM
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What is the insulation rating of Cat5/Cat6 etc. cable?
How about Bell Wire/Thermostat Wire?

Then you have to look at 725.55(A). Even if the communications and controls cables have a voltage rating higher than that of the power conductors, you still can't mix them in the same raceway.
Don


Don(resqcapt19)
Re: Mixing voltages, marking requirements #61152
01/22/06 01:18 PM
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Tom H  Offline
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725.55(D) allows for mixing voltage class wires so long as the class 2 wires pertain to a device in that box. A nice one for lighting control systems.

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