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Backfed Photocell? #58356
11/07/05 04:58 PM
11/07/05 04:58 PM
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Redsy  Offline OP
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A photocell will operate a lighting contactor. If I install a switch to bypass the photocell and energize the contactors coil, the bypass switchleg will also (back)feed into (red) photocell output leg.
Is this a concern?

Thanks.

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Re: Backfed Photocell? #58357
11/07/05 05:03 PM
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Dnkldorf  Offline
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Not for me....

It is the same phase, right?

Your not really backfeeding it, your applying the same phase on the red wire, as if the photo cell was operating properly.


Dnk.........

Re: Backfed Photocell? #58358
11/07/05 05:06 PM
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ShockMe77  Offline
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Not if its on the same phase. I've wired motion detector lights like this in the past. When the light switch is on, obviously the lights are on. When the switch is off, the motion feature controls the light. I think what you are describing is the same thing.

Re: Backfed Photocell? #58359
11/07/05 05:09 PM
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iwire  Offline
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I do not see any code issue with it.

However another option would be the use of a 3 way switch (SPDT)

Common to contactor coil.

One terminal from constant feed.

One terminal from red of the photo cell.

You end up with ON or AUTO with this set up and no back feed to the red of the cell.

Make sure the EGC is large enough. [Linked Image] [Linked Image]

Bob

[This message has been edited by iwire (edited 11-07-2005).]


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
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Re: Backfed Photocell? #58360
11/07/05 05:40 PM
11/07/05 05:40 PM
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Redsy  Offline OP
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Thanks guys.

The phasing is OK.
I think I actually did this configuration once before, but I'm not sure.
My concern is damaging the photocell.

iwire,

EGC, what's a EGC? [Linked Image]




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Re: Backfed Photocell? #58361
11/07/05 08:44 PM
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EGC = Equipment Grounding Conductor.

Al

Re: Backfed Photocell? #58362
11/07/05 09:14 PM
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Not a problem. I usually do this very thing.

You are not "back feeding" the photocell. The photocell is nothing more than a switch. It does not draw any current.

Re: Backfed Photocell? #58363
11/07/05 10:11 PM
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Redsy  Offline OP
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Thanks again guys.



[This message has been edited by Redsy (edited 11-07-2005).]

Re: Backfed Photocell? #58364
11/07/05 10:56 PM
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Larry Fine  Offline
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Redsy, from what I understand, as long as the line (black) wire is hot, there's no harm in energizing the load (red) wire.


Larry Fine
Fine Electric Co.
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Re: Backfed Photocell? #58365
11/08/05 07:09 AM
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Redsy  Offline OP
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Larry,

The line won't ALWAYS be hot when the red is fed from the bypass. Only when the timers contacts are closed.

Thanks.

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