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#57294 - 10/10/05 09:02 AM Exterior lights on block/stucco wall  
Amazingmg  Offline
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Looking for comments/opinion:

I have to install 50 or so exterior lights on a commercial building. Wall is normal concrete block with stucco.

Fixtures are wall mount and call for 4" octagons. I'm going to cut the boxes into the outer block and drill a hole through to the inside, install 1/2" EMT out the back of the box, and go into the back of another box on inside wall. Some lights are on outside of "pilaster", so wall is two blocks thick, but should still work. This will work for the ones above the height of the ceiling grid inside. Others are below the ceiling grid height. On these I think I will still go straight thru, but notch the block on the inside so I can get a 90 in there and run vertical flush with the interior wall so strips/drywall can cover. Going up thru the block and then over into attic is not a good option because of roof construction I think after looking at the architectural drawings. Blocks will be solid poured after.

My real question is will the boxes be secure enough after the concrete is poured? Does this sound like the way to do it? Any other comments in general?

I'm primarily an Industrial contractor. But I have been doing some small commercial
lately. Thanks for any input.


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#57295 - 10/10/05 09:11 AM Re: Exterior lights on block/stucco wall  
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Will the boxes be secure enough for what?

Are you securing the fixtures to this 4" box and relying on the box to hold the weight of the fixture?

If these are wall packs, which are bigger than the 4" boxes, drill through the back of the wall pack, and secure the fixture to the block wall via anchores or tap-cons.

Just guessing here, your post made no mention of the size of the outside lights, or wieght.


Dnk......


#57296 - 10/10/05 09:32 AM Re: Exterior lights on block/stucco wall  
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Are you securing the fixtures to this 4" box and relying on the box to hold the weight of the fixture?


That's what I was thinking (take another sip of coffee). Probably wrong headed thinking though. I just received this info this morning (that's my excuse). [Linked Image]

Weight? Good question...

Ah, here we go...hmmmm....one type of fixture weighs 24lbs. Wow. The other one is smaller but doesn't list a weight.

Under Mounting the cutsheet info says this:

Max. weight: 24lbs.
Installation: Mounts over a standard 4"
octagonal electrical box with 3 1/2" c/c
mounting holes. (by others)
Additional seperate mounting holes are provided with wall plate.

Ok, so separate anchors for the light.


#57297 - 10/10/05 09:51 AM Re: Exterior lights on block/stucco wall  
Amazingmg  Offline
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I wonder if this is something that the inspector needs to look at before they pour the cells? Would that be considered rough-in?


#57298 - 10/10/05 12:11 PM Re: Exterior lights on block/stucco wall  
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If these boxes are going to be cast in concrete as in a cell pour I am not sure how you would get them to move at all. There are enough irregularities in a regular box that would give a pretty good bite. I had an octagon that was cast in place and one ear had a rusted in place screw. I took the ring off the connector in back expecting that a few taps with a hammer would dislodge the box. I ended up having to use a piece of #3 rebar like a drift punch and beat the snot out of the inside of the box, all around to get the concrete to release it's grip. YMMV depending on the slump and how much they vibrate the pour. They usually pour cells here at a 5 or even 6. That is a McDonalds milk shake. There will probably be a little grout in the box through the small holes


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#57299 - 10/10/05 12:12 PM Re: Exterior lights on block/stucco wall  
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BTW Arlington has a new stucco box but I bet it is pricy.


Greg Fretwell

#57300 - 10/10/05 03:16 PM Re: Exterior lights on block/stucco wall  
Amazingmg  Offline
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Thanks for the input.

Those Arlington boxes look pretty neat.

Would pancake boxes be ok to do?

I wonder how thick Stucco normally is?


#57301 - 10/10/05 07:45 PM Re: Exterior lights on block/stucco wall  
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Most of the wall pack type fixtures I use do not require a box behind them at all. They can be fed with a GRC nipple or EMT through the wall but the easiest way is sealtite. Drill a hole all the way through and connect the sealtite to a box above the grid on the inside.


#57302 - 10/10/05 07:46 PM Re: Exterior lights on block/stucco wall  
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Well, that was stupid of me. You already said that the fixtures called for a box.



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