ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
twh 10
Recent Posts
Any UL 508 experts out there?
by sparkyinak. 05/21/17 08:57 PM
Heat pump conundrum
by sparkyinak. 05/21/17 08:49 PM
Interesting week
by HotLine1. 05/20/17 11:57 AM
Electrical Pricing Guide
by ElectricianBud. 05/18/17 12:17 PM
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Popular Topics(Views)
236,354 Are you busy
171,328 Re: Forum
164,385 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 77 guests, and 12 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#49367 - 03/04/05 11:43 PM bonding electrodes, separate buildings(common area circuits  
mj  Offline
Member
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 186
meriidian, ms
given: 2 separate buildings , by use of a firewall, each building as its own service. ( common area branch circuits suppiled from one of the services is used to supply secuity lighting for both buildings) Should the electrodes from each service be bonded together to stablize any difference in potential ? What code section requires the electrode to be bonded in this case ?


Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades

#49368 - 03/05/05 01:17 AM Re: bonding electrodes, separate buildings(common area circuits  
hbiss  Offline
Member
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 886
Hawthorne, NY USA
Nothing requires them to be bonded together if they are truly separate in separate buildings. This is not the case though, there are common area circuits serving both buildings from one of the services. Also, are there two separate water services from the street (or one that splits?) and do they require bonding? Are the meters and any disconnects next to each other?

-Hal


#49369 - 03/05/05 08:00 AM Re: bonding electrodes, separate buildings(common area circuits  
shortcircuit  Offline
Member
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 608
massachusetts
210.25 prohibits branch circuits from one dwelling to supply common area lighting.

IMO...you will need a third meter for common area lighting.

I would just wire the lighting for the each side of the buildings area from that sides service.

shortcircuit


#49370 - 03/05/05 12:07 PM Re: bonding electrodes, separate buildings(common area circuits  
mj  Offline
Member
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 186
meriidian, ms
the services are located on each builing,about 200 feet apart, this is a multifamily structure with a firewal. My concerns were because both building security lights are supplied from one owner's panel, the electrodes from both buildings should be bonded ?


#49371 - 03/07/05 05:54 PM Re: bonding electrodes, separate buildings(common area circuits  
boggerbutt2454  Offline
Member
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 44
Concord NC USA
If this is a multi-family building why didn't you provide for a house panel? I hope the owner of the panel feeding the security lights never gets mad at his neighbors!!


#49372 - 03/07/05 08:37 PM Re: bonding electrodes, separate buildings(common area circuits  
hbiss  Offline
Member
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 886
Hawthorne, NY USA
210.25 prohibits branch circuits from one dwelling to supply common area lighting.

Yup, I missed that one. Shows how much multifamily I do. [Linked Image]

I assumed that the owner would occupy the unit with the lights on his meter. Even if this were allowed what happens if the unit gets sold?

I agree with the others- either split the lighting up and put it on the respective meters or provide a house meter. I think which way to go would depend on the layout and where the lighting is located. I don't think any unit should be paying for site lighting.

-Hal


#49373 - 03/07/05 09:17 PM Re: bonding electrodes, separate buildings(common area circuits  
Gregtaylor  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 212
Boise, Idaho, USA
A little off the actual question, I guess, but I'm confused about the actual building. Is this one(1) building or two(2)? If they are physically attached in any way above ground they are a single building. Why are there 2 services? Or am I reading this wrong?

Sorry, brain fade I guess. I see the situation now. But still, you can't feed house lighting from one service if it penetrates the other living space. That's what the firewall is there for to begin with.

[This message has been edited by Gregtaylor (edited 03-07-2005).]



Member Spotlight
Lostazhell
Lostazhell
Bakersfield, CA (Originally Orange Co.)
Posts: 1,429
Joined: February 2004
Show All Member Profiles 
Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.019s Queries: 14 (0.004s) Memory: 0.7843 MB (Peak: 0.9348 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-05-23 18:44:35 UTC