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Water heater queries #48040
02/02/05 07:20 AM
02/02/05 07:20 AM
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IanR  Offline OP
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This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway.
I've noticed that most residential electric water heaters are rated at 4500W, so why are all of the branch cicuits that I have seen for them 30A @240V? Being that they are just resistive heating elements there is no inrush current that I know of. Just seems overkill running a 7200W circuit for a 4500W load. Comments?
Ian

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Re: Water heater queries #48041
02/02/05 07:27 AM
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422.13 Storage-Type Water Heaters.
A branch circuit supplying a fixed storage-type water heater that has a capacity of 450 L (120 gal) or less shall have a rating not less than 125 percent of the nameplate rating of the water heater.


4500 / 240 = 18.75 x 1.25 = 23.4 amps.

This puts you into a 10 awg, you could use a 25 amp breaker but most just use a 30 amp breaker.


Bob Badger
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Re: Water heater queries #48042
02/02/05 07:32 AM
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IanR  Offline OP
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Thanks Iwire. Figured there was a code requirement, any idea of the logic behind that rule though?

Re: Water heater queries #48043
02/02/05 03:25 PM
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Consider that there may be as much as 5% (or even more) variability in manufacturing tolerance, as well as 5% variability in your supply voltage. If the element is exactly 4500 watts and the voltage is exactly 240 then your have 18.75 amps (1.25x = 23.4375). Now let's raise the voltage by 5% (252 volts). The same resistance (12.8 ohms, not accounting for change due to heating) gives you 19.6875 amps (1.25x = 24.609375). Then if the element itself is 5% lower in resistance (12.16 ohms) you'd have 19.7368421 amps at 240 volts (1.25x = 24.671052625) and at 252 volts you'd have 20.7236842 amps (1.25x = 25.90460525). You may need that 30 amp breaker. And even the breakers themselves have some variability (why the trip curves have some width to them).

Re: Water heater queries #48044
02/02/05 03:58 PM
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IanR  Offline OP
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Good points
Thanks
Ian

Re: Water heater queries #48045
02/07/05 06:46 AM
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Steve Miller  Offline
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The last one I did the AHJ required a 25A breaker. We put in a disconnect with 25a fuse and he was happy. Breaker is still 30.

Re: Water heater queries #48046
02/07/05 10:12 AM
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Another factor to consider is that most circuit breakers are only rated continuous operation at 80% of their trip rating.

-Jon

Re: Water heater queries #48047
02/07/05 06:04 PM
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PCBelarge  Offline
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Jon
That is an interesting statement, as the '05 NEC now states that 120 gal water heaters 422.13, are considered as "continuous duty".

Pierre


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