ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Shout Box
Recent Posts
Air Compressor feeder conductor sizing
by Potseal. 01/15/18 09:08 PM
VDE 0100 to introduce AFCIs
by LongRunner. 01/15/18 11:38 AM
Under carpet cable?
by HotLine1. 01/15/18 09:57 AM
Any New Years Resolutions?
by Bill Addiss. 01/13/18 10:21 AM
New in the Gallery:
Housebilding DIY wiring
SE cable question
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 25 guests, and 8 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
diesel fuel pump #47194
01/11/05 07:16 PM
01/11/05 07:16 PM
D
denny3992  Offline OP
Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 53
orwigsburg,pa USA
any comments on connections to outside skid mount pump on classification and wiring methods?

Thanx Denny

Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades
Re: diesel fuel pump #47195
01/12/05 07:15 AM
01/12/05 07:15 AM
R
resqcapt19  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,148
IL
Denny,
Diesel fuel is not a flammable liquid (it is combustible) and the diesel fuel handling area is not a classified area.
Don


Don(resqcapt19)
Re: diesel fuel pump #47196
01/12/05 08:05 AM
01/12/05 08:05 AM
D
detubbs  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 56
PA
just installed one. inspector told us to explosion proof everything within 10' of the tank all the way around. if it would have been gasoline it would have been a bigger radius.


Scott
Re: diesel fuel pump #47197
01/12/05 08:07 AM
01/12/05 08:07 AM
Y
Yoopersup  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 840
Michigan
Denny
You have to make sure the conduit or conduits feeding the Diesel Skid do not pass thur a classified area. If they do then they require to be treated as classified . This is done a lot where theres both Gas and Diesel pumps in the same area.

Re: diesel fuel pump #47198
01/12/05 09:46 AM
01/12/05 09:46 AM
P
pauluk  Offline
Member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 7,520
Norfolk, England
Quote
Diesel fuel is not a flammable liquid

Indeed. I have a friend who is a retired trucker and he tells of the time that some manager at a depot balled at him to put a cigarette out while he was pumping diesel into the truck.

He said he just threw the butt into the diesel tank and you've never seen somebody run for cover so fast! Guess he proved the point though! [Linked Image]

Re: diesel fuel pump #47199
01/12/05 10:52 AM
01/12/05 10:52 AM
R
resqcapt19  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,148
IL
Quote
514.3 Classification of Locations.
(A) Unclassified Locations. Where the authority having jurisdiction can satisfactorily determine that flammable liquids having a flash point below 38°C (100°F), such as gasoline, will not be handled, such location shall not be required to be classified.

Diesel has a flash point above 100°F and therefore the area is not required to be classified.
Don


Don(resqcapt19)
Re: diesel fuel pump #47200
01/12/05 10:55 AM
01/12/05 10:55 AM
R
resqcapt19  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,148
IL
Quote
You have to make sure the conduit or conduits feeding the Diesel Skid do not pass thur a classified area. If they do then they require to be treated as classified .

That would only require that the conduits have seals at the boundries. It would not require the use of explosionproof wiring methods at the diesel dispensing area.
Don


Don(resqcapt19)
Re: diesel fuel pump #47201
01/12/05 02:14 PM
01/12/05 02:14 PM
W
walrus  Offline
Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 680
Bangor Me. USA
Quote
That would only require that the conduits have seals at the boundries. It would not require the use of explosionproof wiring methods at the diesel dispensing area.

This is true although if on the same concrete island as a gas pump I treat them the same no matter the distance apart.
Fuel oil generally has a flash point above 125 f I believe.

Re: diesel fuel pump #47202
01/12/05 02:34 PM
01/12/05 02:34 PM
D
denny3992  Offline OP
Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 53
orwigsburg,pa USA
Thanks for the quick response guys....


This was my first post on this site !!

I used to watch the forum that R Keis has but there is so much more info on this one and seems less bickering too... Again thanks..

Re: diesel fuel pump #47203
01/12/05 08:18 PM
01/12/05 08:18 PM
R
resqcapt19  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,148
IL
Quote
This is true although if on the same concrete island as a gas pump I treat them the same no matter the distance apart.

If they are close to each other the diesel dispenser may fall within the classified area for the gas dispenser and if so, then the electrical equipment within the classified area must meet the classification.
Don


Don(resqcapt19)

Featured:

2017 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2017 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
HCE727
HCE727
Delaware County, PA, USA
Posts: 186
Joined: November 2005
Show All Member Profiles 
Top Posters(30 Days)
sparky 23
Admin 19
Potseal 13
Popular Topics(Views)
243,513 Are you busy
180,304 Re: Forum
170,802 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1
(Release build 20180101)
Page Time: 0.023s Queries: 14 (0.004s) Memory: 1.0081 MB (Peak: 1.1836 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2018-01-16 21:28:20 UTC