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#343 - 01/16/01 06:31 PM end of line  
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what is end of line resistor for in a fire alarm system


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#344 - 01/16/01 07:35 PM Re: end of line  
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supervision of the circuit [Linked Image]


#345 - 01/16/01 09:49 PM Re: end of line  
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where is usually the Q... [Linked Image]


#346 - 01/17/01 07:45 PM Re: end of line  
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Sparky,

I guarantee that the resistor will be in the last box you look in, at least if you have any sense at all. [Linked Image]


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#347 - 01/21/01 09:22 PM Re: end of line  
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Don,

The End Of Line [or Loop] Resistor AKA EOL Resistor is what loads the zone's loop circuit in normal operation.

The typical EOL resistor would be 2K ohm and connected to TTL logic gates. The circuit's operating voltage is like 5 VDC, so the current through the loop is 2.5 milliamps [0.0025 amps].

What this does is sets up a constant flow of current at a certain level. If a sensor trips and closes the N.O. contacts inside of it, which are wired in Parallel for each device, this causes the loop current to rise above the 2.5 Ma level and activates the alarm.

On the same note, if someone tampers with a sensor and causes the N.C. contacts which are wired in series with all devices to open, this will cause the loop current to stop flowing and will also activate the alarm. Same will happen if the loop's wires are cut.

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#348 - 01/28/01 08:32 AM Re: end of line  
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Your reply is correct for security alarm systems, not for fire systems. Loss of the supervisory voltage due to cut wire, missing device, etc. will give you a zone trouble, not a alarm condition.


#349 - 01/31/01 05:19 PM Re: end of line  
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Dandy:

Glad you caught that one! For some reason I saw Security Alarm System's EOL Resistor when I read the original question <]:-)..

I have only done Security / Burglar Alarm systems, where the EOL Resistor and the zone's loop functions as I posted. Any Fire / Life / Safety systems for the Commercial Projects we do are sub'ed out to other ECs that are familiar with the existing systems [typically Simplex], so they get all the compatable strobes, etc. and programming according to that setup.

Is the EOL Resistor's function on F/L/S systems similar to the Security system's? - To have an X value of current flowing steadilly through the loop during normal operation [functioning NAND or NOR gates will be "Inverted" (NOT Logic or Logic 0) with EOL in circuit], or do the EOL Resistors become connected when the remote device trips [alarm], which would make the logic Gates AND, OR or possibly XOR?

Any info is helpful..


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Originally posted by dandy467d:
Your reply is correct for security alarm systems, not for fire systems. Loss of the supervisory voltage due to cut wire, missing device, etc. will give you a zone trouble, not a alarm condition.


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