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#33925 - 01/29/04 09:22 PM Question  
sparky111  Offline
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I have two lights one on my house and one on my barn outside.There are two threeways that operate them.I need a recept. in the barn and the pipe to the barn is maxed out. How can I get the plug to stay hot.


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#33926 - 01/29/04 09:44 PM Re: Question  
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Sparky111,
Easy change existing switch feed to feed only, and use X10 Devices to control lighting.


#33927 - 01/30/04 02:56 AM Re: Question  
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You mean you're looking to run a receptacle off of a lighting circuit?
Is that legal?.


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#33928 - 01/30/04 04:07 AM Re: Question  
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Trumpy
It's legal in Canada but i don't like it either.

[This message has been edited by frank (edited 01-30-2004).]


#33929 - 01/30/04 07:00 AM Re: Question  
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This is residential not commerical.I don't think it is an issue to run a recpt off a lighting circuit its not 277.


#33930 - 01/30/04 07:03 AM Re: Question  
sparky111  Offline
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This isnt a real job but a triva question that my forman asked me. I can't seem to think of the solution..


#33931 - 01/30/04 07:40 AM Re: Question  
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You mean you're looking to run a receptacle off of a lighting circuit?
Is that legal?


Mike,
It's quite normal in North America to have a branch circuit feeding both receptacles and lights, although there are a few NEC requirements to limit this, e.g. the small appliance branch circuits in a kitchen.


#33932 - 01/30/04 04:30 PM Re: Question  
rmiell  Offline
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"This isnt a real job but a triva question that my forman asked me. I can't seem to think of the solution.."

Sounds like someone is trying to install a "California 3-way", or whatever you call it. It is an illegal way to wire.

Are there other names for this setup?

Rick Miell


#33933 - 01/30/04 04:55 PM Re: Question  
Roger  Offline
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Rick, I've heard it called Chicago and Tennessee.

Roger


#33934 - 01/30/04 05:20 PM Re: Question  
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There is a legal way to do it with 4 wires, plus the grounding conductor. Picture the receptacle in the garage. It takes two wires to energize it, the hot (1) and the neutral (2). Run them from the house. Picture two three-way switches, one at the garage and one in the house. Connect a hot jumper conductor to the top of each three-way. Connect one wire between the pivot-points (or commons) of the two switches (3). The last wire is the switched leg (4). Connect the switched leg to the bottom part of each three-way and to the lights at the garage and the house. Draw it out, it works, and it is legal. (Paralleling the hots with two #12s connected to a 20 amp breaker is legal.) What is not legal is the California hook-up where the ground is used as the return path (neutral), but the rest is the same.


Earl

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