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#25978 - 05/26/03 08:39 AM Legal Question  
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 45
Pennsylvania, USA
I recently resigned from a company, due to it's many flaws, from inept management and self destructive business decisions,to major improprieties, such as illegally withholding employees IRA contributions, etc.

I was the foreman of a large commercial project.

I left the project (as well as several other employees and the Project manager)about 6 to 8 weeks from the end of the job.

My former employer recently contacted me, thru an attorney (a scare tactic), claiming I will be sued if I don't come back and assemble as-built drawings for him.

My position is this; I feel, as an hourly paid employee, once I resigned I am under no further obligation to perform any services for that company. Also, 8 weeks is plenty of time to find a competent replacement, who could research the project, and put together as-builts.

I am basically calling his bluff, and said I'll see him in court.

Can anyone offer any insight into this situation. Am I actually obligated to continue to perform services for this company after resigning?

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#25979 - 05/26/03 08:58 AM Re: Legal Question  
electure  Offline

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 4,260
Fullerton, CA USA
I don't know about Pennsylvania, but here in CA an employee's (hourly or not) duties are through once he/she terminates employment.
Call their bluff, and file against them with your Labor Board for their improprieties such as the withholding of IRA, etc. [Linked Image]...S

#25980 - 05/26/03 10:00 AM Re: Legal Question  
Roger  Offline
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 1,716
I agree with electure. Call their bluff.
I would still notify your labor board on the other items regardless, but thats probably just me.


#25981 - 05/26/03 12:40 PM Re: Legal Question  
Electric Eagle  Offline
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 914
Alpharetta, GA
I don't think you have a legal obligation to do this, however you might be able to cash in by doing it. How much is it worth to them? Can you tell them you would be glad to help for $150/hr? Otherwise you have another project and don't have time for them. (Get the money upfront and consult an attorney to make sure they can't sue you for extortion)

#25982 - 05/26/03 01:06 PM Re: Legal Question  
wocolt  Offline
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 110
I am not so sure, I would think you would have an obligation to the company. JMO, but if you were the leadman or forman, then their would be something binding between you and the company. Did you give two weeks notice before leaving ?
I would tread lightly on this one, is there any chance to reconcile with the Boss just to the end of the project ?
If he can prove that the job came in late because you left(providing there is a late clause) you could be held responsible.

Best of luck to you


#25983 - 05/26/03 02:11 PM Re: Legal Question  
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 45
Pennsylvania, USA
I tend to think that his 'case' couldn't really hold up.

An as-built, in it's minimal state, is nothing more than a documentation of things that are added or deleted from contract drawings. While many of us who do them may include important J-box locations, and other 'secrets', that, IMO, isn't part of the contractual requirement. The requirement of the as-built is more to cover the 'there's 6 lights instead of 5, and they are 60 watt instead of 40 watt' type thing.

So, saying that, it would seem that any competent electrician/foreperson could walk a job, review documentation, etc, and produce a reasonable set of as-builts.

Personally, if it was my company, I'd throw it together myself, even if I had to 'wing' it a little.

The company chose to not have someone do that, largely in part of the extreme incompetency of this organization, which is why I left.

I think the only thing that might work against me, is a judge who has no understanding of construction, it's practices, or what as-builts are. He would view this as an 'outsider', which might place more sympathy on the side of the employer.

Either way, this former employer is guilty of not paying into any employees IRA accounts for two years, a mandatory 2% of incomes.

He makes statements like " A raise? That's a good way to get fired", and so, I have no desire to cooporate with him.

I am going to make an 'offer' to resolve the matter. If he wishes to re-hire me, I will agree to work for him temporarily, as a sub contractor for a reasonable hourly rate, plus enough to cover the taxes on it, plus a few dollars an hour more to compensate for the benefits. Then he can 1099 me next year, but I'll already have the taxes on it paid by him.

Plus I want my IRA money before I do anything.

#25984 - 05/26/03 02:41 PM Re: Legal Question  
txsparky  Offline
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 552
Magnolia,.Texas U.S.A.
I would tell him to go______________________!!!(fill in the blank)
If you were an hourly employee, how could you possibly have any obligation to give him anything?
On the other hand, I would contact the labor board about his not paying into the IRA accounts. I once had an employer that was holding out a portion of each check towards insurance and not paying it. I filed a claim with the labor board and recieved a check in full.(should have sued the bastard for embezzlement [Linked Image] )


#25985 - 05/26/03 03:45 PM Re: Legal Question  
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 45
Pennsylvania, USA
Thanks for all the responses guys.

I'll let you know how it turns out.

#25986 - 05/26/03 03:52 PM Re: Legal Question  
ga.sparky56  Offline
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 558
young harris georgia usa
I know the laws vary from state,and courts do screwey things,but how could an hourly employee be held responsible for anything that happens after he quits a job?

If you had signed a contract to complete the job,sure. But an hourly employee? That's got to be one of the nuttiest things I,ve ever heard

#25987 - 05/26/03 05:25 PM Re: Legal Question  
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 45
Pennsylvania, USA
"That's got to be one of the nuttiest things I've ever heard"

Heh. Yeah, falls right in line with how that outfit operates. It's an Electrical company owned and run by a salesman/PR type guy, who has no construction experience. Strange situation.

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