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#25897 - 05/22/03 12:46 PM What's the trick to installing....  
SvenNYC  Offline
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New York City
...phenolic or melamine (stiff plastic) device plates without cracking them around the screw-holes?

I've cracked so many over the years because I always tighten the screw a bit _too_ much.

I favor metal plates because you can securely tighten them and don't have to worry about them working loose from hard use. I've got this thing against screws working loose... [Linked Image]

Not to mention that with a tin wall plate you don't have to worry about jerks who slam furniture against the wall and shatter the plate. My kid bro did that once...slammed his bed against the wall socket (with a bakelite wall plate) and broke half the plate in two - half of it fell behind the bed.

I can't believe he was using it in that state...and never electrocuted himself! [Linked Image]

[This message has been edited by SvenNYC (edited 05-22-2003).]

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#25898 - 05/22/03 05:28 PM Re: What's the trick to installing....  
Jim M  Offline
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Posts: 457
Chestertown, MD, USA

Switch to the nylon plates from P&S. You can just about fold them in half without breaking. They are slightly oversized too.

#25899 - 05/22/03 05:49 PM Re: What's the trick to installing....  
Electricmanscott  Offline
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Posts: 1,457
Holden, MA USA
Just go easy on the screw. Thats the trick. As for having a "thing about screws working loose" I can't help you with that but I bet theres a support group somewhere. [Linked Image]

#25900 - 05/22/03 07:12 PM Re: What's the trick to installing....  
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West Virginia
It's a "feel" thing... I've cracked many plates trying to get my wrist tuned to the torque limit...

Jimmy has only cracked one plate in the 6 months he's worked. I'm impressed!

Those nylon things are so ugly, all dimpled and shiny... Ugh. I've even replaced the stock GFCI plates with "hard" decoras when in nicer homes.

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#25901 - 05/23/03 12:09 AM Re: What's the trick to installing....  
CRW  Offline
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Posts: 159
Bethlehem, PA USA
Make sure the device isn't sunk into the wall a little bit. That will put more pressure on the plate and snap it before you think it's on enough. Even though the yoke may be flush on the sheet rock, it can flex in a bit, and the added distance (especially on receptacles) will mess things up.

#25902 - 05/23/03 05:25 AM Re: What's the trick to installing....  
zapped208  Offline
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Posts: 197
Somewhere in USA
Tight'em till they crack, back'em off a half!....... [Linked Image]

Shoot first, apologize later.....maybe

#25903 - 05/23/03 06:41 AM Re: What's the trick to installing....  
sparky  Offline
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A devices proper fit in a wallbox portuding from a wall plate ( by code) will allow for a clean plate install.

#25904 - 05/23/03 12:00 PM Re: What's the trick to installing....  
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New York City
Thanks guys! [Linked Image]

I'm noticing that the new generation of stiff plastic plates for standard double-sockets have a thick rib around the screw holes...

I've used the nylon ones. Yes, they don't crack but the soft plastic makes me worry about the thing flexing on the edges - they seem so chintzy. Maybe I worry too much.... [Linked Image]

What came on the market first, brass and tin plates or plastic plates? Or was it about the same?

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