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Conduit on flat roofs #22923
03/07/03 01:09 AM
03/07/03 01:09 AM
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elecbob  Offline OP
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Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 141
WA
I have to run a circuit to supply power to a sign across about 50 feet of flat roof. In the past I've put down 1 foot long pieces of treated 2X4 every 5 feet and ran PVC conduit. But this time I would like to do a neater job. I cannot run it on the side of a parapet. Can I run it on top?Or perhaps I should run EMT with compression fittings.
Any ideas out there?
Thanks
Bob

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Re: Conduit on flat roofs #22924
03/07/03 05:44 AM
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iwire  Offline
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North Attleboro, MA USA
EMT will meet code but IMO has no place outside on a roof, the weather conditions in MA make EMT rust out and fall apart (especially in the small sizes) long before the equipment you feed with it. If it gets kicked around on the roof the compression couplings sometimes fall apart.

Try IMC, it sounds like you will be running 1/2" so a 3/4" EMT bender will bend it easily, if you do not have a threader, with some planning you can use very few compression connectors.

Here is a link to some nice supports instead of wood.
http://www.erico.com/erico_public/general_info/pipepiermore.asp

Also if you do run PVC, 1/2" 3/4" and 1" need support every 3 feet, 2002 NEC 352.30(B)

Bob


[This message has been edited by iwire (edited 03-07-2003).]


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts
Re: Conduit on flat roofs #22925
03/07/03 05:55 AM
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zapped208  Offline
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Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 197
Somewhere in USA
I would use emt w/raintight fittings or possibly IMC , if there is heavy maintance taffic on this roof. The sun warps pvc bad and makes your job look really terrible after a couple of months. Also some strut on the p/t 2x4 ,would be o.k., and look good.


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Re: Conduit on flat roofs #22926
03/07/03 08:35 AM
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EVAD7  Offline
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MN
We always use emt with compression fittings and pull a ground wire. We also use premade foam blocks that have a piece of strut built in ( I believe caddy makes them)

Re: Conduit on flat roofs #22927
03/07/03 09:35 AM
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SvenNYC  Offline
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Posts: 1,691
New York City
There's also stainless-steel conduit available, right? Seems like that would be a good choice for roof-top installations...albeit expensive....

Re: Conduit on flat roofs #22928
03/07/03 11:00 PM
03/07/03 11:00 PM
electure  Offline

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Fullerton, CA USA
They're a Caddy (Erico) "Pipe Pier", and they work very well, but they're quite expensive per unit...S
PS EVAD, good thing you put in a ground wire, as you must know how they get busted up! (and probably not put in tight in the first place)

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Re: Conduit on flat roofs #22929
03/08/03 01:39 AM
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elecbob  Offline OP
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Posts: 141
WA
I ended up running 3/4 inch EMT. I supported it on 10 inch lengths of treated 4X4 every 5 feet. I gooped the wood to the roof and secured the EMT to the wood with one hole straps. I used compression type couplings and TA's. I'm tempted to spray the compression fittings and the straps with zinc to seal them and prevent future rust. Is this overkill?
The sign contractor wanted 3-20 namp circuits and he wanted me to run #10 wire since it was over 50 feet from the panel. I ran 5#10's (black, red, blue, white and green) from the 120/208 volt 3 phase panel. I installed a 3 phase 20 amp breaker in the panel. On the roof I installed a 3 phase main lug panel with 3 single phase breakers. I also installed a GFCI fed by a seperate breaker on phase A. Have any of you installed a flood light for repairman's convience?
Where I penetrated the tarred roof I gooped it wirth mastic. I told the customer to have his roofing contractor check it. That's about it.
bob

Re: Conduit on flat roofs #22930
03/08/03 10:19 AM
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maintenanceguy  Offline
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Posts: 300
Southern NJ, USA
probably okay to use tar to stick down your sleepers on a tar roof. But I've seen this done on EPDM (rubber membrane) several times. Tar will disolve the rubber so be careful what type of roof you're on.

Re: Conduit on flat roofs #22931
03/08/03 03:50 PM
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The Watt Doctor  Offline
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Posts: 435
Mont Belvieu, TX
Here's a good product. Portable Pipe Hangers They may be on the expensive side, but they work really well. I had a job that these were "spec'd". Look at the PP10. I think it would have worked well for you, elebob. Click on the "products", and then click the "view our entire product line" on the bottom right corner.

Regards,
Doc

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The Watt Doctor
Altura Cogen
Channelview, TX
Re: Conduit on flat roofs #22932
03/08/03 09:20 PM
03/08/03 09:20 PM
Trumpy  Offline

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Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,231
SI,New Zealand
Bob,
Just a thought, but, over here we sometimes use what we call "Conduit Clips", they are made from PVC and they hold the conduit up off of the surface.
Not sure if they are available in the US,
but if you visit www.clipsal.com.au you will see what I am on about, they are under Product Code 280.
They're really easy to fix, too!.
Hope this helps. [Linked Image]


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