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#214937 - 02/13/15 08:26 AM No AFCI's in NH  
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http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2015/HB0533.pdf

Any NH Sparkys out there care to opine on this?

~S~


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#214940 - 02/13/15 02:05 PM Re: No AFCI's in NH [Re: sparky]  
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Puts a whole new meaning to "Live Free or Die"


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#214941 - 02/13/15 05:04 PM Re: No AFCI's in NH [Re: sparky]  
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Lest we forget the very reason we parted from England:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. "

So said Ben Franklin. Something to think of in this day of mandated bicycle helmets, government-required purchases, and legally required speech.

Embellishments of Ben's original comment add that those who make the trade wind up with neither liberty nor safety. Something to think of every time we see a new rule requiring the use of certain products, expanding the reach of government, and (most notably) claiming authority to control firearms.

Something to consider, again, as each new NEC edition finds a need to regulate things that got on quite well for a century without the 'help' of these self-appointed regulators. Example: The required phone jack.


#214943 - 02/14/15 12:44 PM Re: No AFCI's in NH [Re: sparky]  
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Interesting. No reason given within the proposed bill.

Looks like a lot of resi building will be put on hold pending the approval of the bill, and the date.



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#214945 - 02/14/15 01:33 PM Re: No AFCI's in NH [Re: HotLine1]  
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A rationale would be nice HotOne

I'm licensed in NH , but i don't cross the river over to there all that much .

What is interesting is, they recently demanded all licenses to be up on the '14 by the end of '14 , no explanation there either

~S~


#214948 - 02/15/15 11:55 AM Re: No AFCI's in NH [Re: sparky]  
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Rationale? How about .... The laws of physics bluntly stating that not only do AFCI's not work, but that they never can - as the arcs they claim to detect simply cannot exist?

Sort of like anti-gravity paint.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paschen%27s_law

AFCI proponents have been snookered. It's that simple. Just like the folks who were persuaded that simply turning your headlights on in daylight would somehow, magically, eliminate car accidents.


#214949 - 02/15/15 12:31 PM Re: No AFCI's in NH [Re: renosteinke]  
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Reno,
i've learned that most folks do not care to delve into technical details.

i find this especially saddening among my peers

that said, we do have legislative oversight , most of which will never be bothered to focus beyond their contingents desires

this is why i'd like a rationale , because i can copy/paste it directly to the folks who run the show in my state

capisce?

~S~


#214952 - 02/15/15 02:46 PM Re: No AFCI's in NH [Re: sparky]  
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Part of the problem is how this was sold. Maybe if they called it a "sparking" fault detector it would be more technically accurate


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#214954 - 02/15/15 03:12 PM Re: No AFCI's in NH [Re: sparky]  
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~s~:
You say...."this is why i'd like a rationale , because i can copy/paste it directly to the folks who run the show in my state"

I would also like to 'forward' the reasoning along to the DCA crew, as something to think about.






John

#214961 - 02/15/15 05:42 PM Re: No AFCI's in NH [Re: gfretwell]  
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Originally Posted by gfretwell
Part of the problem is how this was sold. Maybe if they called it a "sparking" fault detector it would be more technically accurate


UL determined almost 40 yrs ago glowing connections are the number one culprit of electrical fires

There is nothing that exists on the market to prevent this.

~S~



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