ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
Trumpy 5
Recent Posts
What do you do?
by ghost307. 09/22/17 08:26 AM
Another generator question
by gfretwell. 09/21/17 02:41 PM
Supporting conduit bodies
by ghost307. 09/18/17 12:12 PM
Thermal Imaging Camera upgrade
by Potseal. 09/18/17 11:57 AM
Linear Power Supply Quits Under Load
by JoeTestingEngr. 09/15/17 11:37 PM
New in the Gallery:
Gallery Test
Popular Topics(Views)
240,860 Are you busy
176,618 Re: Forum
168,531 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 46 guests, and 9 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#206304 - 06/15/12 11:27 AM type NM in conduit  
jkraft  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 74
Hello,
Can someone direct me to the NEC section regarding sleeveing romex in conduit for a combination of 12/2 and 14/2, over 10'
thanks,
Joe


2017 / 2014 NEC & Related Books and Study Guides

#206307 - 06/15/12 12:14 PM Re: type NM in conduit [Re: jkraft]  
gfretwell  Offline


Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,115
Estero,Fl,usa
334.15(B)
Quote
Protection from Physical Damage. Cable shall be protected from physical damage where necessary by rigid metal conduit, intermediate metal conduit, electrical metallic tubing, Schedule 80 PVC conduit, or other approved means. Where passing through a floor, the cable shall be enclosed in rigid metal conduit, intermediate metal conduit, electrical metallic tubing, Schedule 80 PVC conduit, or other approved means extending at least 150 mm (6 in.) above the floor.


Note 9 to table 9 (conduit fill) says
Quote
(9)A multiconductor cable or flexible cord of two or more conductors shall be treated as a single conductor for calculating percentage conduit fill area. For cables that have elliptical cross sections, the cross-sectional area calculation shall be based on using the major diameter of the ellipse as a circle diameter.


two cables can't be stacked and measured, You have to compute for "2 conductors" the size of the widest dimension so you end up with some pretty big pipe.
I haven't run the numbers on a 12 and a 14 but 1" would not surprise me


Greg Fretwell

#206308 - 06/15/12 12:41 PM Re: type NM in conduit [Re: gfretwell]  
jkraft  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 74
thanks for your help Greg, looking at those sections now and trying to determine what size IMC would be needed for 1-12/2 and 2-14/2???


#206309 - 06/15/12 02:03 PM Re: type NM in conduit [Re: jkraft]  
gfretwell  Offline


Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,115
Estero,Fl,usa
OK lets run the numbers
I will use commie metric because I prefer decimals

The 14ga I have measures 9mm, 12ga measures 10mm (across the widest part.

The area is the radius (half the diameter above)squared times pi (3.14)

5 x 5 x 3.14 = 78.5 mm2
4.5 x 4.5 x 3.14 = 63.6 mm2
Total cable area = 142.1 mm2

Take that to table 9 IMC "2 wire" column and you end up with 1" IMC (up to 192 mm2)
3/4 only gives you 117 mm2

See why I wasn't surprised? wink



Greg Fretwell

#206316 - 06/15/12 09:59 PM Re: type NM in conduit [Re: jkraft]  
George Little  Offline
Member
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,489
Michigan USA
Nice answer Greg. Not everyone knows about this approach. Most contractors want to skin the outer jacket from the NM cable and not worry about the rules. A clear violation of 312.5(C)(e).

Last edited by George Little; 06/15/12 10:12 PM.

George Little

#206317 - 06/15/12 11:27 PM Re: type NM in conduit [Re: jkraft]  
HotLine1  Offline


Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,863
Brick, NJ USA
Greg:
Ditto with what George said! Nice!!


John


Member Spotlight
watersparkfalls
watersparkfalls
Washington...Not DC
Posts: 220
Joined: March 2005
Show All Member Profiles 
Featured:

2017 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2017 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.019s Queries: 15 (0.003s) Memory: 0.7776 MB (Peak: 0.9242 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-09-22 13:31:11 UTC