ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
Potseal 11
Recent Posts
600 KW 120/208 3 Phase Y protection
by Yooperup. 07/24/17 12:20 PM
1913 American Electrician's Handbook
by gfretwell. 07/20/17 01:08 PM
Green House wiring
by ghost307. 07/20/17 09:10 AM
Permit Snafus...AHJs and Contractors Jump in
by HotLine1. 07/18/17 08:06 PM
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Popular Topics(Views)
239,324 Are you busy
174,793 Re: Forum
167,162 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
1 registered members (andey), 67 guests, and 8 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#198579 - 01/28/11 03:23 AM Ideal AFCI tester upgrade  
gfretwell  Offline


Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,099
Estero,Fl,usa
Ideal has an upgrade to their old AFCI testers to make them trip more brands of breakers.
It isn't free

http://www.idealindustries.com/media/pdfs/products/notices/suretest_upgrade_program.pdf


Greg Fretwell

Arc Flash PPE Clothing, LOTO & Insulated Tools

#198628 - 01/29/11 10:53 PM Re: Ideal AFCI tester upgrade [Re: gfretwell]  
leland  Offline
Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 853
Lowell area, Ma. USA
What happened to the manufacturer recommended test feature?

The button on the device.

Will there be documentation that this is an 'Approved method'?

Why should the AHJ jurisdictions,in these tough economic times,buy something that is not needed?


#198633 - 01/30/11 07:40 AM Re: Ideal AFCI tester upgrade [Re: leland]  
ramsy  Offline
Member
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35
LA basin, CA
Originally Posted by leland
Why should the AHJ jurisdictions,in these tough economic times,buy something that is not needed?

The notice helps identify obsolete & recalled devices that are unloaded on unsuspecting eBay & other buyers.


Roger Ramjet NoFixNoPay.info

#198700 - 02/01/11 01:58 PM Re: Ideal AFCI tester upgrade [Re: gfretwell]  
renosteinke  Offline
Cat Servant
Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,316
Blue Collar Country
"The only approved test method ..." Boy, has that line opened a pandora's box.

I've seen it regularly used at another forum in reference to GFCI's ... which is simply wrong. GFCI testers ARE approved means for testing GFCI's, at least according to UL.

As regards AFCI's, one of my objections has been the 'proprietary' nature of the devices. For all I know, the test button is simply an on/off switch! Hello, counterfeits! If the car companies can provide the accessory market with detailed specifications that allow the consumer to get perfectly fitting floormats and car covers, there's no reason the AFCI makers cannot also provide information to tester makers.

I welcome Ideal's efforts in this matter. I also welcome the way this discussion has reminded us that every test method has limitations.


#198920 - 02/07/11 10:10 PM Re: Ideal AFCI tester upgrade [Re: renosteinke]  
KJay  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 763
MA, USA
I sent my two year old unit in a couple of weeks ago along with a check for $75.00 and Ideal sent me a brand new one with the updated firmware. The circuit tester is more of a convenience item for me, which I do actually use every once in a while, so I thought it was a pretty good deal.
The last time around, Ideal replaced it for free, but I imagine that is getting cost prohibitive with the frequent tweaking that AFCI manufactures keep doing to try and make their junk science work they way they claim it should.



Member Spotlight
akmaster
akmaster
alaska
Posts: 70
Joined: June 2012
Show All Member Profiles 
Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.014s Queries: 15 (0.003s) Memory: 0.7703 MB (Peak: 0.9115 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-07-25 10:50:34 UTC