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#195295 - 07/24/10 09:31 AM rats!  
sparky  Offline
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,306
eating the wires.......

it's amazing how they manage to compress their skeletons to make their way through the holes with romex , which they walk on like Karl Walenda

and they nibble them along the way, sometimes right on down to the copper to where all 3 (12-2 say) are completely bare , and in perfect formation like the insulation simply vaporized!

i wonder what attracts them? is it the emf? the simple fact that the wiring provides a pathway? the particular material of NM providding a satisfactory knawability?
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#195297 - 07/24/10 10:30 AM Re: rats! [Re: sparky]  
renosteinke  Offline
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You're going to laugh ... but I was told that the insulation once was (but no longer is) made using soybean byproducts .... which served as a rat magnet. Supposedly the new stuff is not nearly as tempting a dish.

(And I won't quibble over whether that's a rat, mouse, or vole in the picture!)

What's needed is a 'Critter Abatement Technician,' or, perhaps, a 'FEline Replacement Rodent Eliminating Technician.' Good luck.

#195298 - 07/24/10 01:21 PM Re: rats! [Re: renosteinke]  
BigB  Offline
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 719
Tucson, AZ USA
I have seen where they only stripped the phone and alarm wires, while leaving the romex alone. But not always, some will eat it all. I guess there's just picky eaters in the rat world too!

The worst is when you are hammering in staples on a joist and turds are falling all over your head and dropping into your tool pouch. Always remember to keep your mouth closed!

With the recession, we are seeing lots of homes that have sat abandoned for 1 to 2 years now and the pack rats have taken over.

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#195299 - 07/24/10 01:42 PM Re: rats! [Re: BigB]  
gfretwell  Offline

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Posts: 9,069
Reno, it looks like rattus rattus to me.
(AKA roof rat, black rat, tree rat, palmetto squirrel)

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#195301 - 07/24/10 04:29 PM Re: rats! [Re: gfretwell]  
Niko  Offline
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Posts: 356
Campbell, CA
is that a live shot with a live mouse??? how did you do it?

Be kind to your neighbor, he knows where you live

#195309 - 07/24/10 11:45 PM Re: rats! [Re: Niko]  
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 251
Kingwood, TX USA
Some years back I had a paging system that a number of speakers stopped working. Upon inspection, the rats had eaten the green wire from the 70v transformer to the volume control, JUST the green, where I used red or blue, they passed. Same wire, just different colors. Also squirrels will eat the lead roof jacks. Strange.

#195311 - 07/25/10 07:50 AM Re: rats! [Re: WESTUPLACE]  
sparky  Offline
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Posts: 5,306
made using soybean byproducts

no kidding...?

With the recession, we are seeing lots of homes that have sat abandoned for 1 to 2 years now and the pack rats have taken over.

the kind with tails, not suits, right?

is that a live shot with a live mouse???

Googled it Niko, they're far too fast...


#195378 - 07/29/10 08:23 PM Re: rats! [Re: sparky]  
Trumpy  Offline

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Posts: 8,211
SI,New Zealand
Oddly enough,
Rodents of all types and forms have a need to gnaw on anything they can find, it keeps their front teeth in check.
This is why you might find the hardest of things around have been chewed on where there are rats, squirrels, etc.
I remember an old guy from Canada telling me this some years ago.
He said if a rodent isn't able to gnaw on something to wear it's teeth down, it can actually die from mal-nutrition from not being able to eat properly.

Let's face it, these days if you're not young, you're old - Red Green grin

#195384 - 07/29/10 10:39 PM Re: rats! [Re: Trumpy]  
ChicoC10  Offline
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 169
I think they are attracted to the warmth of a loaded cable, can or transformer.
I see lots of tunnels near the sub feeds and have found dead ones curled up by the doorbell transformer (not before putting my hand down on it first...eeeeeeoowwwwweee....poor little guy.
The tooth growth thing explains the chewing.

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#195389 - 07/29/10 11:19 PM Re: rats! [Re: ChicoC10]  
noderaser  Offline
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 404
Portland, Oregon, United State...
We used to have mice as pets; in addition to the typical food, you would provide them with "chew sticks" to work their teeth on. From what I remember (this was a few years ago) their teeth grow pretty much constantly, and if they aren't worn back down they can become impacted and cause all kinds of nasty problems, including them receding into the skull.

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