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#188121 - 07/22/09 01:46 PM Outlet install video screenshot  
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I saw this in a video of how to install an electrical outlet, and thought you guys would like a good laugh out of it.

[Linked Image]


-Joe
“then we'll glue em' then screw em'”
-Tom Silva
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#188126 - 07/22/09 03:25 PM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: JoeKP]  
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Sloppy wiring and the receptacle is upside down.

Ducks for cover!


#188128 - 07/22/09 04:28 PM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: IanR]  
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That may be a clunky way to do things, looping through the screw but I am not sure what the violation would be.

Shoving 7 #12s back in the box will be a chore tho.

... and I bet that box is too small


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#188137 - 07/22/09 09:18 PM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: gfretwell]  
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The ground is looped the wrong way around the screw...


#188145 - 07/23/09 12:58 AM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: n1ist]  
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Originally Posted by n1ist
The ground is looped the wrong way around the screw...


and the wire is too long


-Joe
“then we'll glue em' then screw em'”
-Tom Silva
TOH

#188147 - 07/23/09 04:01 AM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: JoeKP]  
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As far as the looped neutral - I cant really see a code violation. It is still 1 wire on the screw. It is not a practice I use much at all though.

~Matt


I would rather beg for forgiveness then beg for permission.

#188154 - 07/23/09 02:05 PM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: TOOL_5150]  
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I have seen that "loop" thing a lot in raceway wiring methods. The wire gets pulled, unbroken all the way through. The argument was that there are that many less connections to fail. As an aside, Removing the device would not "interrupt the continuity" of the circuit ref 300.13(B).
In this case I am guessing that was a way to tap that circuit without wirenutting all the wires and bringing a pigtail out to the device. They must have looped the RX through the box. Sloppy but not illegal.
Usually you just see this looping in switch feeds.


Greg Fretwell

#188160 - 07/23/09 03:36 PM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: gfretwell]  
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I think looping was more common in older construction. Those devices didn't have the back-stab connections, so, if you wanted to avoid using a wire nut (because you had 3 hots and 3 neutrals to connect to the device) you had to loop the connection. I always thought that was a neat way to do it.


Now, what they do instead is to to use the back-stab and the screw. I've seen outlets where there was a wire under every screw and in every back-stab. That's pretty sloppy, I think.



#188179 - 07/24/09 12:28 AM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: TOOL_5150]  
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Originally Posted by TOOL_5150
As far as the looped neutral - I cant really see a code violation. It is still 1 wire on the screw. It is not a practice I use much at all though.

~Matt


its not looped, it is 2 wires unbent just holding onto the edge


-Joe
“then we'll glue em' then screw em'”
-Tom Silva
TOH

#188180 - 07/24/09 01:45 AM Re: Outlet install video screenshot [Re: JoeKP]  
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OK I blew it up and looked, you are right. I didn't catch that.


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