ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
Potseal 11
Recent Posts
600 KW 120/208 3 Phase Y protection
by Yooperup. 07/24/17 12:20 PM
1913 American Electrician's Handbook
by gfretwell. 07/20/17 01:08 PM
Green House wiring
by ghost307. 07/20/17 09:10 AM
Permit Snafus...AHJs and Contractors Jump in
by HotLine1. 07/18/17 08:06 PM
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Popular Topics(Views)
239,324 Are you busy
174,793 Re: Forum
167,162 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 69 guests, and 9 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#181664 - 10/22/08 03:30 AM Is anyone here familiar with.....  
Trumpy  Offline


Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,217
SI,New Zealand
Setting up a single SATA drive in a computer?

I bought a new mother-board some months back, it is a Gigabyte GA-73PVM-S2H, with a Dual Core Intel CPU.

Now this MB, has support for 1 IDE HDD, which I have the MBR installed on.
All of the other on-board storage sockets are for SATA drives.
I have a DVD burner/drive and a new Western Digital 500GB HDD I would like to install.

No matter how many times I have read the manual (a PDF these days), it is written in such a way that I'll be blowed if I can understand what on earth they are on about.

From what I can work out, I don't have to create a RAID array, for the one HDD, but is the DVD unit included in what could be called an array?

I've been putting off installing this gear for about 6 weeks, as you only get one chance to do this properly, without affecting the current IDE HDD.

Can someone please HELP!!!!

I've never had to work with SATA before, I wish I didn't have to now either.

BTW, there was a mention of having to make a floppy disk, with some data on it, my computer does not have one of these sorts of drives, neither do most newer computer these days, how do you get around this?

Regards,
Mike. shocked


Let's face it, these days if you're not young, you're old - Red Green grin

Tools for Electricians:

#181673 - 10/22/08 06:00 PM Re: Is anyone here familiar with..... [Re: Trumpy]  
JoeTestingEngr  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 785
Chicago, Il.
Mike,
I recently installed a 2nd, ITB Seagate SATA in my dual core XP machine. Seagate's installation CD made it easier than I expected. My goal was to have it as a copy destination for important files and to direct all the large video captures to it. All of my programs still run from the C drive. Are you going to use yours for mass storage or do you wish to mirror your existing drive? I think that you will be pleased with how it turns out. I think you can make a boot CD like you used to make a floppy.
Joe


#181687 - 10/24/08 12:08 AM Re: Is anyone here familiar with..... [Re: JoeTestingEngr]  
noderaser  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 404
Portland, Oregon, United State...
Just plug it in and go... RAID is for setting up multiple hard drives for redundancy. Many SATA boards come with on-board RAID support, whereas you previously had to use third-party software.

You shouldn't need any floppies, most OSes these days come with bootable CDs. Your BIOS is probably set up to boot from CD by default also.


#181688 - 10/24/08 01:02 AM Re: Is anyone here familiar with..... [Re: noderaser]  
gfretwell  Offline


Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,099
Estero,Fl,usa
Most of these boards with SATA also have the regular IDE controller and you can go into BIOS to decide who will be the boot device if you have both installed. That will be the C:. This could be handy if you wanted 2 operating systems. Right now I have one drive set up as native DOS and the other is W/98. When I finally get around to loading the XP pro disk I have that will be XP and W/98.


Greg Fretwell

#181689 - 10/24/08 04:19 AM Re: Is anyone here familiar with..... [Re: JoeTestingEngr]  
Trumpy  Offline


Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,217
SI,New Zealand
Thanks a lot for your comments guys.
As far as I'm concerned, this is one of two Windows computers I own, it has XP, it has 4GB of RAM, it is the computer I mainly use for important things.

I want the new SATA disk drive to be a seperate drive to C:
C: is partitioned into C and D drives, E is the CD ROM Drive
F is the USB stick I sometimes use to add stuff from "outside", it also shows up as G drive, after I have plugged it into my laptop, so that letter is not available.

I don't want striping or anything like that, because if one drive fails, it will take the whole array out, they must be independent of one another.


Let's face it, these days if you're not young, you're old - Red Green grin

#181695 - 10/24/08 12:47 PM Re: Is anyone here familiar with..... [Re: Trumpy]  
gfretwell  Offline


Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,099
Estero,Fl,usa
Raid is going to make one bad drive transparent. You can rebuild the bad drive from the stripes on the good ones. That is the reason for doing it. We used Raid 5 where you have 4 drives to handle about 3 drives worth of data.
If you are not raiding them, when you add the second drive one will be C:, the other D: then extended partitions will start with E: on the C: drive and whatever address is next on the D drive when you finish all the partitions on C:.
It is a good idea to label each drive with the address they are when things are normal. Then if something is wrong it becomes apparent right away. You can really get confused otherwise.
My CDROM is I: on this machine. (2 drives with multiple partitions and a ram drive). When I plug in a USB card reader it can really get confusing. I get up to drive M:


Greg Fretwell

#181769 - 10/29/08 12:04 PM Re: Is anyone here familiar with..... [Re: gfretwell]  
SteveFehr  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,208
Chesapeake, VA
RAID a cheap feature to add, so most modern motherboards have that capability, but don't feel like you need to use it.

SATA is just like IDE, only the cable is easier to route smile Don't do anything different than you'd do with IDE. Once the drive is installed, go into BIOS and enable it. One problem you *may* run into is that the legacy IDE port is sometimes either/or with one of the SATA pairs, in that you have to disable the IDE to use the opposite SATA ports (or vice versa). If this is the case, you can either try another SATA port or get a converter to plug your IDE drive into a SATA port for about $15; I had to do this with my last motherboard.

SATA is faster than IDE, but the drives themselves aren't any faster, so you'd probably never notice the speed difference.


#181780 - 10/30/08 12:33 AM Re: Is anyone here familiar with..... [Re: SteveFehr]  
noderaser  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 404
Portland, Oregon, United State...
With SATA, you also don't have to worry about jumper settings or slave/master configurations.


#181782 - 10/30/08 11:09 AM Re: Is anyone here familiar with..... [Re: noderaser]  
SteveFehr  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,208
Chesapeake, VA
Or manually setting the drive cylinder and other information in BIOS before it would recognize the drive. Oh man was that ever a pain in the ass! Not too much of that with modern motherboards, though. All nice and easy now smile


#181783 - 10/30/08 12:04 PM Re: Is anyone here familiar with..... [Re: SteveFehr]  
Gloria  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 364
Budapest, Hungary
Stripping can be good sometimes.... crazy

Last edited by Gloria; 10/30/08 12:04 PM.

The world is full of beauty if the heart is full of love

Page 1 of 2 1 2

Member Spotlight
akmaster
akmaster
alaska
Posts: 70
Joined: June 2012
Show All Member Profiles 
Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.017s Queries: 16 (0.003s) Memory: 0.8225 MB (Peak: 1.0049 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-07-25 10:51:33 UTC