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A.I.C. #18030
12/05/02 02:55 PM
12/05/02 02:55 PM
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Wirenuttt  Offline OP
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Lets say you're wiring a new school. Main electric room calls for a certain aic rating on all the main switch gear. Does this aic rating have to follow suit throughout the building, to all the sub panels and breakers?
Is there a code?

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Re: A.I.C. #18031
12/05/02 04:30 PM
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Wouldn't this be a case where "series-rated" system design would come into play?
I'm sure an informative thread could be generated on the subject.

Re: A.I.C. #18032
12/05/02 04:41 PM
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Check 110.9, 110.10, 110.22 ( 2nd paragrpah ), 240.2 Current-Limiting OCP device, 240.83(C), 240.86.

Suggest you try the Bussmann site http://www.bussmann.com and look for their SPD download and their many other free software and bulletins.

Re: A.I.C. #18033
12/05/02 04:49 PM
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The AIC rating of breakers in downstream subpanels and the bracing of the busbars in these panels can probably be lower than what is required at the main. Inductive reactance will lower the available fault current.

Hopefully, the engineer did the analysis ahead of time.

If you want to play around with some short circuit calculations, visit the following site for free software downloads http://www.bussmann.com/apen/software/


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Re: A.I.C. #18034
12/05/02 05:05 PM
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The use of current-limiting fuses in the main service disconnecting means can also limit the available fault current downstream.

Ed

Re: A.I.C. #18035
12/05/02 07:38 PM
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Ron  Offline
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Current limiting fuses do not reduce the short circuit available at down stream equipment. They will limit energy for flash protection calculations, but not fault current for AIC or withstand ratings. The up-over-down method of determining let-through from the fuse curve as been found to be inaccurate due to "dynamic impedance" with downstream overcurrent protection. Similar reasons with a listed series combination between fuse and downstream breaker must be tested before it can be considered series rated.


Ron
Re: A.I.C. #18036
12/05/02 07:44 PM
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From the Bussman.com website: http://www.bussmann.com/library/techspec/TechSpec12.pdf
Up-Over-Down Method:
With series rated combinations, the up-over-down method is not able to be used to determine the protection of newer
style circuit breakers with blow-apart contacts (which exhibit dynamic impedance). For these applications, listed
equipment which has been labeled for use with tested combinations must be installed. Despite the inability to predict
protection for circuit breakers using the up-over-down method, the method is still (as it always has been) valid for
static components (components passive within first half-cycle). Some applications which can utilize the up-overdown
method include:
1. Bus-Bracing Requirements
2. Wire and Cable Protection

Poster's note: It appears that a portion of equipment withstand ratings can use this chart method.


Ron

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