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#178514 - 06/03/08 02:07 AM Residential vs. Commercial Recessed Cans  
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I've noticed on small commercial buildings that residential cans are installed. Instead of romex, MC cable is run. Recently I changed some bulbs on a job and wrote down the model of the can:
http://www.junolighting.com/product_detail.asp?ino=2171&Sel_Id=1706&brand=1

Is it okay to install a residential can and what is the difference? Is it mostly up to the architect?

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#178527 - 06/03/08 03:48 PM Re: Residential vs. Commercial Recessed Cans [Re: bwise121]  
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Why are you saying 'resi can'??


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#178531 - 06/03/08 05:56 PM Re: Residential vs. Commercial Recessed Cans [Re: HotLine1]  
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Other than 110.3(B), the code does not distinguish between "residential" and "commercial" products. This is likely a design consideration only.


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#178537 - 06/03/08 08:39 PM Re: Residential vs. Commercial Recessed Cans [Re: BPHgravity]  
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Yeah I don't see what the difference would be a lot of building owners by cans like that because of the cost you can by them cheap at the ORANGE apron place.


#178558 - 06/04/08 03:37 PM Re: Residential vs. Commercial Recessed Cans [Re: mikethebull]  
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The OP is in CA.; perhaps a State thing??


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#178566 - 06/04/08 07:40 PM Re: Residential vs. Commercial Recessed Cans [Re: HotLine1]  
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Not a CA thing at all.

Look at all the different grades of wiring devices.
There's residential grade, commercial grade, specifications grade, etc.

Nothing says you can't use specification grade devices in a residence, or "cheapy" residential grade devices in an industrial building. It's a design issue.

The same applies here, to the lighting package.


#178573 - 06/05/08 09:35 AM Re: Residential vs. Commercial Recessed Cans [Re: electure]  
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As electure stated, I've never heard of any regulation, even on the county or city level, making a distinction between these products.

Traditionally, you would use a more robust product in a commercial environment due to long hours of operation, harsher environments, etc. On the other hand, residential usually denotes a stricter budget. These are design and $$ considerations, not parameters designated by any orginization or AHJ that I'm aware of.


#178574 - 06/05/08 10:57 AM Re: Residential vs. Commercial Recessed Cans [Re: Zapped]  
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Other than the fact that commercial renovations are generally 100% tax deductible I never understood why you would use a more expensive luminaire in a commercial setting like a strip mall. In a residence people are more likely to actually look at it and most of these strip malls get gutted and rebuilt every 4 or 5 years around here. I am sure most of the space they are building right now will not last 5 years. This looks like the 80s to me where we built several million square feet of commercial in a couple years and never actually rented more than 75% of it.


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