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A puzzel for Henry C #177750
05/11/08 10:55 AM
05/11/08 10:55 AM
Alan Nadon  Offline OP
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 399
Elkhart, IN. USA
Since many enjoyed the puzzle Henry posted the other day I thought I would add one that had me stumped.
A few years ago (NEC 1999) a contractor called me to check out a problem with a new inground swimming pool.
The problem was that the GFI receptacle kept tripping.
He then went to the sub panel and showed me that the breaker for the receptacle was in the OFF position. We then reset the receptacle and it tripped, with the breaker off.
What do you think was causing it ?

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Re: A puzzel for Henry C [Re: Alan Nadon] #177751
05/11/08 11:14 AM
05/11/08 11:14 AM
sparkyinak  Offline
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Since it was in the 'off' positon and not the 'tripped' position, I'd say the breaker was defective

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Re: A puzzel for Henry C [Re: Alan Nadon] #177754
05/11/08 11:27 AM
05/11/08 11:27 AM
HCE727  Offline
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 186
Delaware County, PA, USA
Where was the sub-panel located, inside or out?

Re: A puzzel for Henry C [Re: HCE727] #177758
05/11/08 12:20 PM
05/11/08 12:20 PM
gfretwell  Offline

Joined: Jul 2004
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Shared neutral.

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Re: A puzzel for Henry C [Re: gfretwell] #177768
05/11/08 07:55 PM
05/11/08 07:55 PM
harold endean  Offline
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,233
Boonton, NJ
My 2 cents on this puzzle.
If the breaker was OFF and the GFI receptacle had power but tripped the test/trip buttons on the receptacle, then the breaker must be defective.

If the breaker was OFF and you couldn't rest the test/trip buttons on the GFI receptacle, maybe you needed power in order to reset the buttons on the receptacle.

Re: A puzzel for Henry C [Re: harold endean] #177771
05/11/08 08:07 PM
05/11/08 08:07 PM
twh  Offline
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 925
Regina, Sask.
It must be interesting or it wouldn't be posted here. I'll guess hot and neutral reversed.

Re: A puzzel for Henry C [Re: twh] #177778
05/11/08 10:41 PM
05/11/08 10:41 PM
EV607797  Offline
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 745
Fredericksburg, VA, USA
My guess is that the load side of the GFI receptacle is being backfed from another circuit.


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Re: A puzzel for Henry C [Re: EV607797] #177786
05/12/08 05:36 AM
05/12/08 05:36 AM
SteveFehr  Offline
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,213
Chesapeake, VA
It was tripping from current through the neutral and a neutral-ground fault.

Re: A puzzel for Henry C [Re: SteveFehr] #177795
05/12/08 10:16 AM
05/12/08 10:16 AM
Alan Nadon  Offline OP
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 399
Elkhart, IN. USA
Breaker was in a sub panel located indoors near the pool.
The breaker was in the OFF position, not tripped.
When the reset was pushed ON the receptacle it would quickly trip.
The receptacle was on a dedicated circuit, no shared neutral.
Additional Information.
Thinking that the breaker was defective the black wire to the breaker was disconnected.
The GFI receptacle was reset*, and then tripped !
*Older GFIs could be reset with the power OFF.
Alan Nadon

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Re: A puzzel for Henry C [Re: Alan Nadon] #177799
05/12/08 11:34 AM
05/12/08 11:34 AM
venture  Offline
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 38
San Diego Ca USA
Panel connections wrong/bad? Rod

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