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#174030 - 01/25/08 03:07 PM kitchen island  
mdcash  Offline
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I have and island that is not fixed, my inspector said I need an outlet, is there any way around his ruling.


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#174041 - 01/25/08 05:06 PM Re: kitchen island [Re: mdcash]  
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Call it a table!


#174048 - 01/25/08 06:54 PM Re: kitchen island [Re: LarryC]  
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If it's not fixed, it's not an island. A boat, maybe laugh


#174094 - 01/26/08 12:59 PM Re: kitchen island [Re: renosteinke]  
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Push it out into the living room until he leaves


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#174102 - 01/26/08 07:42 PM Re: kitchen island [Re: gfretwell]  
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Originally Posted by gfretwell
Push it out into the living room until he leaves

Actually, this is a relatively practical solution.

However, the following is more what I expected to hear from the pros on this forum:

1) Ask him what code section he is getting this requirement from.

2) Check his reference carefully. If he's correct, think about Mr. Fretwell's suggestion.

3) If you don't believe the code supports him here, take him the reference and play nice: "Gee, sir, I still don't understand. Could you please explain..."

Or you could try KP8.

Back in my manufacturing days, I attended an Interaction Management seminar that emphasized dealing with others through "key points." KP1, KP2, KP3.

One of my co-workers suggested KP8: 'Hit him in the head with a two-by-four.' grin


#174118 - 01/27/08 12:22 AM Re: kitchen island [Re: Retired_Helper]  
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The code reference he is quoting is 210.52 c2 out of the 07 nec, when I showed him the island wasn't fixed, he said "it was hard for one guy to move. The point is it can be moved by one guy without removing any part of the structure.


#174134 - 01/27/08 12:15 PM Re: kitchen island [Re: mdcash]  
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He needs re-education.'05 is the nearest code.
roll it to another rm. and get the inspection.
Or be a hard nose and take it over his head.Get it in writeing, that should slow him down.

edit: This is from the Newmexico, 2005 amendments.
have him show you. this is your only 210.52 items.

"(8) 210.52 (A) (2) (3). Wall Space. Add: “Exception: Free-standing cabinets designed to be used as an eating or drinking bar where stools or chairs are pulled up to a counter top which extends at least 300 mm (1 foot) from the front of the cabinet, shall not be considered as wall space.

(9) 210.52 (C) (3). Peninsula counter spaces. Add: “At least one receptacle outlet shall be installed at each peninsular counter space, when the total length of the peninsular has a long dimension of six (6) feet, or greater and a short dimension of one (1) foot, or greater. A peninsular countertop is measured from the connection edge.”

(10) 210.52 (G) Basement and garages. Add: “Receptacle outlets must be installed a minimum of eighteen (18) inches above finished floor, in attached or detached garages

Last edited by leland; 01/27/08 12:22 PM.

#174135 - 01/27/08 12:24 PM Re: kitchen island [Re: leland]  
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#174137 - 01/27/08 12:46 PM Re: kitchen island [Re: leland]  
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UH_OH!

---is·land (lnd)
n.
1. Abbr. Isl. or Is. or I. A land mass, especially one smaller than a continent, entirely surrounded by water.
2. Something resembling an island, especially in being isolated or surrounded, as:
a. An unattached kitchen counter providing easy access from all sides.

2-A: It is unattached! this would be the 1st time i had ever seen this demand.

does "Define "is" ring a bell.


#174149 - 01/27/08 07:43 PM Re: kitchen island [Re: leland]  
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I'm sorry he is quoting the 05 nec, I think I'm going to have the cabnit guys come and move it out of the house, just to get an inspection. I should hear from my inspector on mon. morning.


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