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wrong way Transformer #170712
11/09/07 03:20 PM
11/09/07 03:20 PM
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MMK  Offline OP
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Ireland
Has anyone any ideas on using a Transformer (1kVA) the wrong way round. The transformer has a 230VAC primary and a 110VAC secondary. Would it be OK to use the secondary as the input(110VAC) and put the load on the primary - a 230VAC motor. Only need about 250Watts.
Will it work?
Michael.

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Re: wrong way Transformer [Re: MMK] #170713
11/09/07 06:10 PM
11/09/07 06:10 PM
electure  Offline

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Fullerton, CA USA
Sure it will. smile

The secondary just becomes the primary, and the primary the secondary.

I'm not sure about the overcurrent protection required in your part of the World, but it will work properly

Re: wrong way Transformer [Re: electure] #170714
11/09/07 06:42 PM
11/09/07 06:42 PM
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JValdes  Offline
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Normally I would say yes, if it were 240/480 volt. But I am not sure with 120 volt. You only have one CCC and a neutral. But I think you are okay. Protect XFMR on line side as current is less.
I have never back fed a 120/240 volt XFMR, so I am not sure about the neutral.

Re: wrong way Transformer [Re: JValdes] #170715
11/09/07 07:30 PM
11/09/07 07:30 PM
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J Valdez:
At "110" Volts you will have 2 current carrying conductors...both the ungrounded conductor and the grounded conductor are current carrying.

The current on the line side will be MORE than the current on the load side.
The OP never said this is a 120/240 transformer, rather a 230 to 110 transformer.



Re: wrong way Transformer [Re: electure] #170734
11/10/07 11:16 AM
11/10/07 11:16 AM
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gfretwell  Online Content

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We used a "backward" transformer in our shop for many years. I had a 240v blower motor out of a tape drive we used for shop air on the 120v they supplied us using a convenience outlet transformer, usually providing 120 out of the 240 in the computer room.


Greg Fretwell
Re: wrong way Transformer [Re: gfretwell] #170736
11/10/07 11:51 AM
11/10/07 11:51 AM
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JValdes  Offline
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electure....Thanks for the clarification. I should have counted the nuetral as a CCC.....John

Re: wrong way Transformer [Re: MMK] #170739
11/10/07 02:16 PM
11/10/07 02:16 PM
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Redsy  Offline
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Wouldn't you need to ground one of the secondary (230-volt)conductors?

Re: wrong way Transformer [Re: Redsy] #170741
11/10/07 03:57 PM
11/10/07 03:57 PM
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Alan Nadon  Offline
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Elkhart, IN. USA
No. Use a seperate BONDING conductor to "ground" the secondary enclosure.
Note that the 120 primary will draw 2+ the amps of the secondary load.
Ohms Law.....Obey it. God doesn't give tickets.


Alan--
If it was easy, anyone could do it.
Re: wrong way Transformer [Re: MMK] #170748
11/10/07 05:24 PM
11/10/07 05:24 PM
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Redsy  Offline
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You would be permitted to ground one of the conductors.
Would it be advisable to ground one or not?
Opinions, please?

Re: wrong way Transformer [Re: Redsy] #170749
11/10/07 05:54 PM
11/10/07 05:54 PM
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gfretwell  Online Content

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We discussed this before. If the transformer is part of the building wiring you need to ground the secondary, with few exceptions. If it is a cord and plug connected appliance you don't. (that was where I went wronmg the last time it was discussed) It is very common that a lab work bench supply is flaoting but this is a cord and plug cionnected appliance, not building wiring. We had the same situation with our compressor at the shop. The whole assembly was behind a 5-15 plug.


Greg Fretwell
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