ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Shout Box
Recent Posts
MRI LED lights dimmer control replacement - wow!
by Potseal. 01/19/18 08:52 PM
VDE 0100 to introduce AFCIs
by sparky. 01/19/18 08:03 PM
Video: Inventor of the GFCI self-testing shocks
by Bill Addiss. 01/17/18 11:11 PM
FPE in Germany
by HotLine1. 01/17/18 07:07 PM
Fujifilm Recalls Power Adapter Wall Plugs
by Admin. 01/16/18 07:04 PM
New in the Gallery:
Housebilding DIY wiring
SE cable question
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 12 guests, and 14 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Following Manufacturer's Instructions #16926
11/18/02 11:44 PM
11/18/02 11:44 PM
sparky66wv  Offline OP
Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,236
West Virginia
I'm one to read over instructions and follow them... Most of the time. However, I run into the occasional one that defies logic.

Case in point:

_____________________________________________

Step 1 says to hang the strap first, sans fixture. (Not the way I'd do it...)

[Linked Image]

_____________________________________________

Later, step 9 has one weaving it together...

(I'd do this before I'd hang the strap)

[Linked Image]

_____________________________________________

Then later still, in step 12, one gets to twist the thing together, hopefully on an AFCI circuit. This fixture's chain is larger than the canopy hole (7/8") and the screw collar.
(I would make the chain small enough (or canopy hole and screw collar large enough) to get the canopy out of the way and fasten the strap on last!

[Linked Image]

Wouldn't you?

(Am I just missing something again?)

[Linked Image]

Did I bust code by hanging it up my own way?

(I used a shorty screwdriver, put the strap on last, and lots of cursing ensued...)

What would you do?

[This message has been edited by sparky66wv (edited 11-18-2002).]


-Virgil
Residential/Commercial Inspector
5 Star Inspections
Member IAEI
Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades
Re: Following Manufacturer's Instructions #16927
11/19/02 12:02 AM
11/19/02 12:02 AM
Trumpy  Offline

Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,231
SI,New Zealand
What I would do is read the instructions,jump on them repeatedly, then burn them in as hotter fire as possible.
The quality of language in these instructions, vary from confusing to down right un-intelligible, depending on who translated it from Spanish or French or whatever language.
The Pictures only serve to muddy the whole situation, I would like to see helpful pictures AND real information in these instructions.
Mind you, Sparky, these types of fittings are always a pain in the A***, to put up, I've hung heaps of them, with many tears and swear words. [Linked Image]

Re: Following Manufacturer's Instructions #16928
11/19/02 12:30 AM
11/19/02 12:30 AM
C
C-H  Offline
Member
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,497
Stockholm, Sweden
Curious: What is the distance between the screws that go into the box? What is the max load? (lbs, not amps!)

(The box look just like ours on the other side of the pond, but we have a hook in the middle and a socket outlet. Hang lamp. Plug in. Put on cover. Finito. In theory, at least. [Linked Image] )

[This message has been edited by C-H (edited 11-19-2002).]

Re: Following Manufacturer's Instructions #16929
11/19/02 12:34 AM
11/19/02 12:34 AM
sparky66wv  Offline OP
Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,236
West Virginia
Distance between screws = a little less than 4".

Box is good for up to 35 lbs. then a ceiling fan box is required.

This fixture weighs only about 15 lbs.


-Virgil
Residential/Commercial Inspector
5 Star Inspections
Member IAEI
Re: Following Manufacturer's Instructions #16930
11/19/02 06:09 AM
11/19/02 06:09 AM
T
Trainwire  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 360
Strasburg,PA,USA
Somebody say "hot fire"? [Linked Image]

2500 degrees good enough?

TW

Re: Following Manufacturer's Instructions #16931
11/19/02 06:21 AM
11/19/02 06:21 AM
S
sparky  Offline
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,343
Quote
Hang lamp. Plug in. Put on cover. Finito.


C-H,

i would subscribe to that.

i think the majority of fixtures sold here are crap. i won't sell them because i refuse to back them up.

i'll install them usually cursing the powers that be whom let them market here.

Re: Following Manufacturer's Instructions #16932
11/19/02 06:27 AM
11/19/02 06:27 AM
T
Texas_Ranger  Offline
Member
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 2,409
Vienna, Austria
That's why in Austria we just have a hook and 2 (or 3) wires hanging out of the ceiling. If the hook is solid enough and driven deep into a ceiling joist you may as well hang 200 lbs. Connections are made with strip connectors hanging in mid-air, then hook and connectors are hidden by a cup shaped cover. (Pendant fixtures) Other fixtures are just anchored to the ceiling, regardless of what it is made of (anchors into drywall, screws into plaster lathes, or if lucky joists,...)

Re: Following Manufacturer's Instructions #16933
11/19/02 08:00 AM
11/19/02 08:00 AM
electure  Offline

Member
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 4,264
Fullerton, CA USA
A couple of weeks ago I got a GE 200A 3P main breaker.
Included were "mouting instructions"(their misspell, not mine).
"Torque to at least 90 inlbs.", with a picture (suggested method) of a crescent wrench turning a screwdriver (hopefully, square shank).
How does one calibrate the crescent wrench??

Is nothing sacred? [Linked Image]

Re: Following Manufacturer's Instructions #16934
11/19/02 09:48 AM
11/19/02 09:48 AM
sparky66wv  Offline OP
Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,236
West Virginia
Lessee... You could leave the jaw of the crecent wrench loose enough to slip at 90 in/lbs...

[Linked Image]

In reality, I have to use a 3/8" to 1/4" adapter, a 1/4" socket, and put a flat tip in the end, hold it all together and use it with my torque-wrench...

But, then again, I don't have a torque-crecent-wrench!!

[Linked Image]

So, how do these examples tie in with 110.3(B)? Are we violating code by exercising good judgement?

Damned if I do, damned if I don't...



[This message has been edited by sparky66wv (edited 11-19-2002).]


-Virgil
Residential/Commercial Inspector
5 Star Inspections
Member IAEI
Re: Following Manufacturer's Instructions #16935
11/19/02 10:39 AM
11/19/02 10:39 AM
S
SvenNYC  Offline
Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,691
New York City
Trumpy: "The quality of language in these instructions, vary from confusing to down right un-intelligible, depending on who translated it from Spanish or French or whatever language."

---

I'm a fluent Spanish reader/writer/speaker and so-so in French. I tried reading the Spanish translation of these instructions and the grammatical errors were atrocious. No wonder you can't understand them!!!! [Linked Image]

"Fijar el correa" should be "Fijar LA correa" (femenine).

Other such errors abound.

I believe the instructions are translated from Chinese by people who are doing it on a rush job.

In most cases it is safe to ignore the instructions and proceed with the most logical and safest way possible.

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3

Featured:

2017 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2017 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
Bill Addiss
Bill Addiss
NY, USA
Posts: 3,890
Joined: October 2000
Show All Member Profiles 
Top Posters(30 Days)
Admin 20
Potseal 15
sparky 15
Popular Topics(Views)
243,565 Are you busy
180,366 Re: Forum
170,843 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1
(Release build 20180101)
Page Time: 0.046s Queries: 15 (0.004s) Memory: 1.0284 MB (Peak: 1.2008 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2018-01-20 17:04:25 UTC