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Your call..... #16764
11/16/02 07:20 AM
11/16/02 07:20 AM
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sparky  Offline OP
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This thread per master66 has me wondering.
All of us here concere on those obvious violations that would be a safety issue.
But what of those small indiscressions?
Are there 'small no-no's' that are of little concern?
I say this because i interact with the DIY'er crowd here quite frequently.
This is not out of choice, it goes with the turf here, however it does leave that hypoctritical afetrtaste.... [Linked Image]

Let me give you an example, respond as a contractor....
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Lamp post install, homeowner has instaled 3/4" black well pipe home to lamp, and wishes me to wire out to it through this


your call.....

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Re: Your call..... #16765
11/16/02 07:36 AM
11/16/02 07:36 AM
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walrus  Offline
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Pull UF into it, whats the big deal [Linked Image]

Re: Your call..... #16766
11/16/02 11:56 AM
11/16/02 11:56 AM
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mj  Offline
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meriidian, ms
i would not do it, i would tell the homeower that this is improper material.

Re: Your call..... #16767
11/16/02 12:16 PM
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Wirenuttt  Offline
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I think sparkys showing just one small example of DIYers who want to contribute there unexperienced time in the field to improper installations. Imagine what would happen if we all took the law into our own hands.

Re: Your call..... #16768
11/16/02 12:17 PM
11/16/02 12:17 PM
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Electricmanscott  Offline
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Holden, MA USA
I'd run the uf through. I think this is a little better then just uf cable. Offers a little protection. I would make sure they burried it at the proper depth. I like to think there is a little bit of "wiggle room" with the NEC when it comes to real world installations providied there is no life safety issue.

Re: Your call..... #16769
11/16/02 01:22 PM
11/16/02 01:22 PM
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ElectricAL  Offline
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Minneapolis, MN USA
Sparky,

What are the end fittings like, or is this only a straight run?

Is the exposed end deburred, or is there a sharp edge that can chafe the UF?

Lastly, since this is not RMC or IMC, 300.5 Column 2 is out. Is this buried at 12" or deeper?

If all the answers are within bounds, pull in UF and hook it up.

Al


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Re: Your call..... #16770
11/16/02 01:53 PM
11/16/02 01:53 PM
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scjohn  Offline
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How long of a pull? How many 90's? Will you be able to pull 14/2 uf through 3/4?
John

[This message has been edited by scjohn (edited 11-16-2002).]

Re: Your call..... #16771
11/16/02 03:39 PM
11/16/02 03:39 PM
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sparky  Offline OP
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What are the end fittings like, or is this only a straight run?

it appears to be a fairly straight run...
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Is the exposed end deburred, or is there a sharp edge that can chafe the UF?

it could be deburred, or have an actual well pipe fitting installed to make into a jb
(house end), or have a plastic bushing placed on said wellpump fitting (i think it'll fit..)
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Lastly, since this is not RMC or IMC, 300.5 Column 2 is out. Is this buried at 12" or deeper

a good Q, the owner says a foot but....
btw, i was thinking column #4 (GFI it...)
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How long of a pull? How many 90's? Will you be able to pull 14/2 uf through 3/4?

about 50' give or take, 12 or 14 should not be a problem...
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Imagine what would happen if we all took the law into our own hands

you make the thread's point for me Wirenuttt, i potentially would be doing exactly that, however small the violation is.
However exacting we as contractors may be, i doubt we qualify to wear halo's , we all toss the proverbial coin...
(but you knew that....)
[Linked Image]
On the other tentacle, even a small mistake could blossom into major litigation..
[Linked Image]

so~, my options appear to be.....

1~'read 'em there rights, assume said 'wiggle room' and just do it....

2~ 'write it up' on thier bill, placing any known liability for future nearsighted gardeners on the owner....

3~ walk away.
right past thier well casing , which has a pump feed via the very same 3/4" well pipe!
[Linked Image]




[This message has been edited by sparky (edited 11-16-2002).]

Re: Your call..... #16772
11/16/02 05:50 PM
11/16/02 05:50 PM
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Redsy  Offline
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Bucks County PA
If it is black IRON pipe it will rust, become jagged and damage the cable. If it is plastic and it is 12" deep I guess UF pulled in would be OK.
I would prefer to avoid the whole "DIY Helper" mess altogether.

Re: Your call..... #16773
11/16/02 06:59 PM
11/16/02 06:59 PM
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walrus  Offline
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Posts: 680
Bangor Me. USA
Except for burial depth, I don't see any problems with this at all. UF can be direct buried so what difference does it make if it is installed in plastic pipe that is direct buried?. Do you know these folks? if not I guess I could see some concern.

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