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Alarm Rough In......connections. #159922
03/23/05 05:43 PM
03/23/05 05:43 PM
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Sandro  Offline OP
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Stoney Creek, ON, Canada
Most companies rough the alarm wiring to the unfinished basement leaving short tails.

When one goes in to complete the alarm and do the home runs to the alarm panel, what is the preferred method of splicing the alarm tails to the home run lines?

Has anybody seen or heard of any problems with stripping each lead and twisting the wires together and using a Marr type connector?

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Re: Alarm Rough In......connections. #159923
03/23/05 07:15 PM
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hbiss  Offline
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I don't know what a Marr type connector is. I have seen alarm installers use "beanies" or "Good and Plenty". These are the old telecom crimp connectors that the telecom industry has replaced with Scotch Locks.

I have also see them twist, solder and tape.

-Hal

Re: Alarm Rough In......connections. #159924
03/23/05 08:15 PM
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Sandro  Offline OP
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Marr type connector = marrettes (or wirenut, twister, term-a-nut, wing-twist...etc.)

Scotch-loks rock...but alot of guys prefer the cheaper method of my original post.

Any other thoughts from the alarm guys?

Re: Alarm Rough In......connections. #159925
03/23/05 09:50 PM
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Wire nuts? Never. Also I didn't mean to imply that Scotch Locks were the same as the "beanies" or "Good and Plenty" type connectors. These originally were used in telecom but have caused problems and have been replaced by Scotch Locks.

Alarm guys still use the "beanies" or "Good and Plenty" connectors because if you strip the wires you can use them with solid, stranded or combinations of both. This is something you can't do with Scotch Locks which is why you won't see alarm guys use them.

Just as popular as I said is soldering and insulating with tape because if reliability.

-Hal

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Re: Alarm Rough In......connections. #159926
03/28/05 04:25 PM
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Asheville NC USA
We try to NEVER terminate wires except at the devices, this can only be done on new installs.when adding 1 or 2 devices we sometimes have to use wirenuts but we tape the joint with Scotch 33+.
I have found most fire alarm specs call for terminal strips only for any temination

Re: Alarm Rough In......connections. #159927
03/28/05 05:06 PM
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dstanford has a good point. I haven't seen an alarm company for a long time rough a building leaving tails in the basement. Pretty lazy if you ask me. Why not just complete the runs to the panel location? All those splice which will eventually be buried are potential trouble spots and is why wire nuts would never be used, especially with small gauge wire.

-Hal


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Re: Alarm Rough In......connections. #159928
04/29/05 07:18 AM
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Sorry - Just an industrial sucurity installers point of view...

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Re: Alarm Rough In......connections. #159929
04/29/05 07:41 PM
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Sandro  Offline OP
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Stoney Creek, ON, Canada
We appreciate your comments Sponge, but different thoughts are appreciated. As an installer, we come across different situations. The purpose of the forum is to exchange information in the interest of doing a proper or better installation. In our field, many licensed electricians, including us, regularly install alarm systems, along with fire alarms, central vacs, cable tv, telephone, and data cables. True, it may not all be rocket science, but tips are always appreciated. Cheers!


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