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#159757 - 01/26/05 10:15 PM How could this be done legally???  
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http://www.ablecomm.com/bnewneatpowf.html
I saw this product offered and it left me wondering how this could be done? Also can anyone elaborate or has anyone heard of such a thing as the "protective plastic sleeve to cover the phone wiring if it has to pass though the wall box, as required by the National Electric Code."


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#159758 - 01/26/05 11:12 PM Re: How could this be done legally???  
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Here is a Leviton PDF for the product. http://assets.twacomm.com/pdf/24628.pdf

steve


#159759 - 01/27/05 12:13 AM Re: How could this be done legally???  
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So I take it from the instructions for this device that it is ok to have power and telephone in the same box as long as you have the plastic protective tubing on the phone cable and maintain .25" from the 120V conductors??


#159760 - 01/27/05 02:57 AM Re: How could this be done legally???  
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NEC 800-52(a)1(c)1 exceptions say it's ok.

steve


#159761 - 01/27/05 03:20 AM Re: How could this be done legally???  
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First time I saw one I said "No way"!

It has two options:

Phone wires inside the outlet box.

And Phone wires stubbed out throught the rock below the edge of the box.

I prefer the later.


Mark Heller
"Well - I oughta....." -Jackie Gleason

#159762 - 01/27/05 09:44 AM Re: How could this be done legally???  
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Thank you gentlemen for your responses I was looking for solutions to this problem with the "wall wart" having the wire strung across the wall to an outlet. It looks like I have found it, anyone think of any other possible solutions that are compliant?


#159763 - 01/27/05 02:04 PM Re: How could this be done legally???  
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Never done it but I see no reason you couldn't run CL2 wiring to the phone jack location with the telephone wiring. Splice it onto a tail with the power plug on it made by cutting the cord from the original transformer. Exit the jack the same way these guys do it and plug it into the phone. You could then locate the transformer in the basement or some other suitable location.

-Hal


#159764 - 01/27/05 10:08 PM Re: How could this be done legally???  
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I like that idea would save the $30 for that leviton plate


#159765 - 01/28/05 11:39 AM Re: How could this be done legally???  
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Matter of fact you could put the power on the black/yellow pair if you are using 22ga quad IW and the situation permits. That's what we used to do with the old Princess and other phones with lighted keypads. Tip/ring on red/green, 10vac from a plug-in transformer on the black/yellow.

-Hal


#159766 - 01/28/05 05:37 PM Re: How could this be done legally???  
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hbiss, are you saying that most or all of the phones that normally need a wall-wart are designed to alternatively take power from the black/yellow pair? [Linked Image]


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