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Why corrosion on only one of 2 busbars? #15951
11/02/02 10:01 PM
11/02/02 10:01 PM
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Charlie  Offline OP
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On a Siemens 200A load center there is very extensive white corrosion on one side, from where the hot wire originally connects, all the way to the bottom of the right bus. Every breaker has this white powder, and the main breaker seems to have an internal problem on that side, so that power is intermittent. Does this suggest any kind of underlying problem that should be addressed in the system?

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Re: Why corrosion on only one of 2 busbars? #15952
11/02/02 10:21 PM
11/02/02 10:21 PM
Bill Addiss  Offline
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Charlie,

If I had to guess from the information given I would say that there has been water coming in the panel, possibly coming in on the service cable. Is this in the Basement? Any signs of rust on the bottom of the panel?

Bill

Re: Why corrosion on only one of 2 busbars? #15953
11/03/02 07:55 AM
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jes  Offline
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I second Bill's assessment based on the info given. How balanced is the load bere? (Right side bus have more??) Where is the panel located, how is it fed,? Also, how old is this installation and are there any photos?

Re: Why corrosion on only one of 2 busbars? #15954
11/03/02 10:28 AM
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Charlie  Offline OP
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Load appears to be balanced. Three different brand breakers have been used. Challenger breakers show considerable corrosion, might have come from earlier panel. Some rust in the bottom. Basement installation, right above where gas pipe enters house. Grounded to that pipe. I just don't get the complete difference between right and left bus: one extreme white corosion and the other none.

Re: Why corrosion on only one of 2 busbars? #15955
11/03/02 11:02 AM
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Is there a chance that the bus in question has been replaced, at some time in the past, with one made of a different metal?

Ed

Re: Why corrosion on only one of 2 busbars? #15956
11/03/02 12:57 PM
11/03/02 12:57 PM
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Charlie  Offline OP
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It looks to be the original bus. I wondered about a manufacturing lot defect in the plating process. But I even have this corrosion above the main breaker where the service lines comes in. That's not part of the bus.

Re: Why corrosion on only one of 2 busbars? #15957
11/03/02 05:34 PM
11/03/02 05:34 PM
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Bjarney  Offline
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It may be a good idea to take careful, comparitve bus-to-load-terminal millivolt-drop tests of individual circuit breaker poles and associated current readings with a high-quality, suitably overvoltage-protected multimeter.

[See http://ecmweb.com/ac/december_2000/index.htm "Testing Contact Quality on Live Motor Starters"]

Besides having questionable conductivity, corrosion leftovers can also initiate tracking over otherwise insulated surfaces and break down, causing a messy, knuckle-singeing bus-side fault.

Re: Why corrosion on only one of 2 busbars? #15958
11/03/02 06:45 PM
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harold endean  Offline
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What is the humidity in the basement? Is it damp? Or a dry basement? A Damp basement can be almost as bad as water coming in through the service cable. By the way, Is a Challenger breaker allowed in a Siemans ITE panel?

Re: Why corrosion on only one of 2 busbars? #15959
11/03/02 07:08 PM
11/03/02 07:08 PM
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Charlie  Offline OP
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It's relatively dry, but it does have fieldstone walls. Concrete floor. I guess I shy away from the general environment as the cause because of the different behavior of the two busbars. And I don't know enough about the corrosion products or reactions to know if a little corrosion actually accelerates the corrosion process.

Re: Why corrosion on only one of 2 busbars? #15960
11/03/02 07:10 PM
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Charlie  Offline OP
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I tried to access the link from Bjarney but it does not seem to be available.

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