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#159363 - 12/27/06 09:56 PM Help Please  
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1. Is a general contractor or framing contractor can hire an electrician (who is not licensed contractor) on pay roll to do electrical side of residential project?
2. When general contractor applies for job permit does he has to give electrical contractor name to permit issuing authority?


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#159364 - 12/27/06 10:07 PM Re: Help Please  
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1. Is a general contractor or framing contractor can hire an electrician (who is not licensed contractor) on pay roll to do electrical side of residential project?


Depends on how the licensure laws are worded in your AHJ / county / state. See your 2nd question:

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2. When general contractor applies for job permit does he has to give electrical contractor name to permit issuing authority?


Once again, depends on the laws that govern general contractors. If the GC is the one pulling the permit, then no, AFAIK. If the EC is listed as a separate entity, then yes, but then the EC would have to pull his own permit for all electrical work on site.


#159365 - 12/27/06 10:09 PM Re: Help Please  
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to answer your question,

if you are not licensed, you can be hired for whatever they want you to do, but you can't pull a permit (in most states, that require licenses) and the GC you are working for is doing something shady.

i am assuming you are the electrician hired by the GC...


#159366 - 12/27/06 10:39 PM Re: Help Please  
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i am assuming you are the electrician hired by the GC...


Or lost a job due to a moonlighter/hack

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#159367 - 12/27/06 10:49 PM Re: Help Please  
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dang moonlighters...hey none of that crazy talk here....


#159368 - 12/28/06 12:03 AM Re: Help Please  
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i am assuming you are the electrician hired by the GC...

No I am C10 licensed contractor.
General contractor had awarded this job to me but it was not written. Now he told me that framing contractor has an electrician and he is hiring him on payroll because this way it will be a lot cheaper for him.

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#159369 - 12/28/06 12:20 AM Re: Help Please  
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As long as the general contractor (B license) is responsible for 2 or more unrelated trades their employees are permitted to do the electrical wiring or almost any of the specialty trades. Their employees are NOT required to be certified either unlike electrical contractors (C10).

This has been my biggest gripe of the new certification requirements. General contractors, HVAC contractors and landscape contractors can install all of the wiring they want and their employees don’t have to be certified. If we are going to require certification it need to apply to all workers performing electrical work.

Curt


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#159370 - 12/28/06 12:36 AM Re: Help Please  
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As long as the general contractor (B license) is responsible for 2 or more unrelated trades their employees are permitted to do the electrical wiring or almost any of the specialty trades. Their employees are NOT required to be certified either unlike electrical contractors (C10).

Is this not true that when general contractor gets his license he has to declare and take trade test for specialty trade to get his license from contractors license board.


#159371 - 12/28/06 12:44 AM Re: Help Please  
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Every general contractor takes the same trade exam that covers a little bit of everything. They only have to take a specialty trade exam if they want to hold a license for that specialty. Since most general contractors are doing at lease 2 trades on a project a specialty license is not required.

Curt


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#159372 - 12/28/06 01:03 AM Re: Help Please  
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So curt you are saying that GC can do specialty work even without having complete knowledge of that trade. If this is true then you are right that it is very unfair with us C10 contractors that our employs should be certified to do same job (electrical)GC's employees can do with or with out certification.


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