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Waiver of Lien #157145
09/01/05 08:55 AM
09/01/05 08:55 AM
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Jps1006  Offline OP
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Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 615
Northern IL
Often times contractors and owners request a waiver well before the check gets issued. What are your policies on issuing waivers? Do any of you only trade waiver for check, or do you usually give it up front?

Any horror stories of issuing a waiver early only to regret later?

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Re: Waiver of Lien #157146
09/01/05 12:31 PM
09/01/05 12:31 PM
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macmikeman  Offline
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Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 717
Honolulu, Hawaii
Your waiver should state that the lein waiver is valid only upon reciept of full payment, and proper transfer of funds completed.

Re: Waiver of Lien #157147
09/01/05 03:55 PM
09/01/05 03:55 PM
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Tiger  Offline
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Joined: May 2005
Posts: 706
Crystal Lake, IL USA
Payment and a waiver are typically a trade at the same time. The exception woulb be where someone has already made a payment, then asks for a waiver (which you should give without question). It's a HUGE red flag if someone asks for a waiver without payment.

Dave

Re: Waiver of Lien #157148
09/01/05 05:49 PM
09/01/05 05:49 PM
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Electric Eagle  Offline
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Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 914
Alpharetta, GA
I either want the check in hand or if it is to be mailed, a faxed copy of the check before I send a fax of my lien waiver. I mail the waiver when I get the check.

Re: Waiver of Lien #157149
09/02/05 03:39 PM
09/02/05 03:39 PM
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Active 1  Offline
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Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 687
Grayslake IL, USA
I know a Heating contractor that fell for that. They told him "give us the final lien waiver so we can get you check". He never got paid. I didn't didn't get paid on the same job but at leat I have a lean on the home.

If a lein waiver is requested ahead of payment then It's a red flag. Maybe you get paid once then the next and bigger job you get hosed.

By giving out the lien you said your paid and give up some recoarse.

Don't believe it if they try to tell you it's allways done way before payment.

Tom

Re: Waiver of Lien #157150
09/03/05 02:19 AM
09/03/05 02:19 AM
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macmikeman  Offline
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Posts: 717
Honolulu, Hawaii
Just do it the way I said. People, most especially crooked general contractor people bounce checks. If your lein has my disclaimer, then its invaled if the check bounces. And most important it holds up in a court of law.

Re: Waiver of Lien #157151
09/03/05 09:17 AM
09/03/05 09:17 AM
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iwire  Offline
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Posts: 4,391
North Attleboro, MA USA
I am not an company owner so I am not that failure with the business side.

None the less I have to ask why would anyone consider waiving the right to apply a lien.

If the customer plans on paying what reason would they have for wanting the waiver?


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts
Re: Waiver of Lien #157152
09/03/05 10:21 AM
09/03/05 10:21 AM
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Tiger  Offline
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Posts: 706
Crystal Lake, IL USA
Lein waivers are a typical part of business. They are required when the project is paid through a title company. These are the best projects because the money is guaranteed. Once you are paid, you give up the right to lein the property. It is the owners way to prove that everyone has been paid when the project is complete.

Dave

Re: Waiver of Lien #157153
09/04/05 09:34 PM
09/04/05 09:34 PM
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nesparky  Offline
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Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 642
omaha,ne
The best way is to use a Conditional Lien Waver worded to say that this lien waver has to have the cancelled check attached to be valid. That way if the check is not recieved or bounces the lien is not taken off.
Check with your attourney to make sure the wording on the conditional waver is accepted in your area/state. As this is a legal document you need to make sure it is correct.


ed
Re: Waiver of Lien #157154
09/05/05 01:40 PM
09/05/05 01:40 PM
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iwire  Offline
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Posts: 4,391
North Attleboro, MA USA
Dave I understand that once the final payment is made that the lien needs to be released. [Linked Image]

What I am asking is why if an EC did not have the final payment in hand would they even think a second about releasing the right to apply a lien?

I am a nice guy until it comes to someone trying cost me money.

Come to think of it I guess it's good I do not own a company. [Linked Image] [Linked Image]


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts
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