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#15013 - 10/06/02 11:35 AM When were GFI's first required?  
maintenanceguy  Offline
Joined: Dec 2001
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Southern NJ, USA
I'm a trustee for our church. We've got a new pastor comming from CA t NJ in a week and I'm trying to get a CO for the parsonage.

The house was built in 1954, and has had no major improvements since.

The housing inspector said we need to have GFI's in the kitchen, baths, garage, and basement before we can get a CO. I have been through literally hundreds of these inspections in other juristictions because I was an apartment super for a few years. And I believe that unless there have been improvements over the dollar amounts calculated using the formulas in the BOCA, you only have to conform to what was required at the time of construction.

Now please don't tell me that GFI's are a good idea. I know that nd we will install GFI's whether required or not but I'd like to know if this inspector is right or if I am.

And if you can reference the code or regulation that requires the upgrade, I'd appreciate that.


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#15014 - 10/06/02 03:11 PM Re: When were GFI's first required?  
Redsy  Offline
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,056
Bucks County PA
Although most codes aren't retroactive, Local municipalities are apparently free to require certain upgrades during either ownership or tenancy changes.
One of my local Townships is (IMHO) getting way out of hand in what they require.
There is probably no way to avoid doing whatever they want.
I have a GFCI timeline that includes the following dates
Unfinished basements & Kitchen-1987

#15015 - 10/06/02 03:34 PM Re: When were GFI's first required?  
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#15016 - 10/06/02 07:56 PM Re: When were GFI's first required?  
scjohn  Offline
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 74
charleston, SC, USA
Here it depends on the length of time the power is cut off. If the meter has been yanked for a year or more than they require the gfi's, and then some. If you are within the one year period you are not obligated to do any changes. As an earlier post stated, it all depends on your local codes. If you question what the AHJ requires, then check the city ordinances. The codes do vary, but unless it is documented they can't inforce it.

#15017 - 10/06/02 09:07 PM Re: When were GFI's first required?  
NJwirenut  Offline
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Posts: 806
Bergen County, NJ
Around here,most inspectors require the installation of GFCIs whenever the service panel is replaced/upgraded, other major electrical work is being done, or when the home is sold.

#15018 - 10/06/02 11:27 PM Re: When were GFI's first required?  
harold endean  Offline
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,233
Boonton, NJ
Is this "home inspector" from the town? Or is he from a "home inspection" agency? If he is from the town, ( And he will have proof or ID to prove it.) then it might be a zoning issue. I would call the construction dept. and ask them. It might be a "CCO" or Continued Certificate of Occupency which would allow a second occupent to move in. If he is from a home inspection agency, he might not have a leg to stand on.

#15019 - 10/07/02 01:46 PM Re: When were GFI's first required?  
maintenanceguy  Offline
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Posts: 300
Southern NJ, USA
Thanks for the replies.

This the municipal housing inspector. Not a construction inspector or private home inspector.

These guys check apartments between tenants and issue the certificate of occupancy.

The issue isn't really that important, all the outlets in question were on one circuit so a GFI breaker solved the problem easily.

I just get all fired up when any petty bureaucrat excedes his authority even by a little bit.

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