ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
Recent Posts
300 watt transformer
by gfretwell. 10/23/17 10:21 PM
VFD MotorFeeders
by Yoopersup. 10/22/17 07:52 PM
Generator Cable Sizing
by brsele. 10/18/17 07:39 PM
What do you do?
by gfretwell. 10/17/17 01:08 AM
New in the Gallery:
Gallery Test
Popular Topics(Views)
241,471 Are you busy
177,477 Re: Forum
169,037 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 13 guests, and 11 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#14799 - 10/02/02 01:23 PM Overheating outlets and fires  
Bob Kopelman  Offline
Junior Member
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1
Rockville Centre N.Y.
I would like to get opinions for a new type receptacle that has temperature sensing built into it. I have invented this and am in the process of UL Listing. It is a new catagory for receptacles. More information can be found on My web site I am looking to raise the bar on electrical fires, any input would be appreciated.

Work Gear for Electricians and the Trades

#14800 - 10/02/02 04:10 PM Re: Overheating outlets and fires  
HotLine1  Offline

Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,872
Brick, NJ USA
Hey Bob, welcome to the ECN group, and get ready for a great place to read & write, and learn.

Interesting item. What are you going to call it???
TSI (Temp sensing interupter)
HHI; (Hi heat interupter)
HCI (Heat circuit interupter)
HDI (Hot device interupter)

Hey 66, what do you think??

GFI, AFCI, and now.....??

Then, maybe someone will incorporate the devices together...


Some humor within a long tough day...
Seriously, if it works, it could be a good thing.

[This message has been edited by HotLine1 (edited 10-02-2002).]


#14801 - 10/02/02 04:19 PM Re: Overheating outlets and fires  
Bill Addiss  Offline
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,878

Welcome, I hope that you're up to some questions. I'm sure that some will follow.

BTW, I noticed your address, you didn't have far to go to get to this website, our servers must be across the street from you!

[Linked Image]

#14802 - 10/02/02 07:34 PM Re: Overheating outlets and fires  
sparky  Offline
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,311
greetings Bob,

It is a very interesting point-of-use concept that you have here incorporating a thermal cutout into a device.

I imagine that any T-unit would need be proximal , and only serve that which is also.

Do you have a pictoral? schematic? etc....

#14803 - 10/02/02 08:03 PM Re: Overheating outlets and fires  
nesparky  Offline
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 642
Greetings Bob
This sounds like something that would better serve than AFCIs. To be accepted costs are going to have to be controlled. If these item add up to the current cost of GFCI receptacles, it would be a much easier sale than the expensive AFCIs. Of course reliable and easily understood technology ( missing from AFCIs)will make all of our safety efforts more acceptable to our customers.
Good luck


#14804 - 10/02/02 09:00 PM Re: Overheating outlets and fires  
resqcapt19  Offline
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,148
We briefly discussed this product in the long AFCI thread last December.
AFCI thread
Look on the second page. Not too much support for the product back then.


#14805 - 10/03/02 12:38 PM Re: Overheating outlets and fires  
sparky66wv  Offline
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,236
West Virginia
I like the idea! Monitor the temp of the hot and neutral bars, if it crosses a threshold of say, 120ÂșC, then *click*... No melting plugs!

Please pursue this idea, lots of variables and complexities to overcome, but I like it in principle!

Residential/Commercial Inspector
5 Star Inspections
Member IAEI

#14806 - 10/03/02 01:53 PM Re: Overheating outlets and fires  
C-H  Offline
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,497
Stockholm, Sweden
Hi Bob!

I've had a look at your website. The product in itself is exactly what I was looking for some time ago.

What I do question is the fact that you have put the protection in the receptable with a manual reset (switching off the circuit breaker) Isn't it better to make quality receptables? (More stringent UL, CSA or CE requirements)

I would have thought it to be all those worn out and overfused old receptables that ran the risk of starting a fire. Wouldn't this product be of more use if put in the plug? The user will then have to pull the plug out of the socket, let it cool of and then (hopefully) plug it in somewhere else.

By the way: There is market you may not have thought of. In the US there is only one type of plug/socket. In Europe there are several, more or less compatible. (Which plugs are compatible with which sockets depends on the amount of force and ingenuity used)

Personally I'd love to see a version of the Europlug (a flat plug with flexing pins small enough to fit all sockets) with overheat protection.

Is it also possible to include short-circuit or overcurrent protection in your device? (I'm thinking of plugs for the British market)

[This message has been edited by C-H (edited 10-03-2002).]

#14807 - 10/03/02 07:30 PM Re: Overheating outlets and fires  
Ron  Offline
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 582
White Plains, NY
Seems like a similar concept as sensing temperature at a circuit breaker, THERMAL magnetic trip. How is this recept different than a cb, other than it is point of use.


#14808 - 10/03/02 07:31 PM Re: Overheating outlets and fires  
Bjarney  Offline
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,527
West-Southern Inner-Northeast ...
"...thermal technology..." "..There are many aspects of this broad patent..." "...the many and varied electrical products, machines, equipment and testing devices used in..."

Grossly nonspecific. No real product availability found.

Member Spotlight
Sebago, ME, USA
Posts: 109
Joined: January 2005
Show All Member Profiles 

2017 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2017 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman


Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.023s Queries: 14 (0.004s) Memory: 0.8110 MB (Peak: 0.9895 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-10-24 07:53:27 UTC