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#147605 - 12/20/02 07:14 PM Occupancy Permits  
sparky  Offline
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The most basic and obvious safety related practice would seem an OC permit.

To me, this means the place has been looked at, considered finished, or finished enough to be habitable without incident.
I am being very liberal here and not 'splitting hairs' lest i entertain beuracratic opposition on the cost of this basic function.

Nope, i'll keep it simple heat, water,lights and some sort of 'contained' enviorment (i.e.-doors, windows..) to a finished and habitable degree.

My question is, how many states/countries actually have an OC process ?

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#147606 - 12/20/02 07:20 PM Re: Occupancy Permits  
Scotts  Offline
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Posts: 209
Ventura, CA, USA
Ventura County, California. Check.

I bought a house last year and the occupany permit from 1979 is hanging in the garage.

#147607 - 12/21/02 12:41 AM Re: Occupancy Permits  
ga.sparky56  Offline
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young harris georgia usa
In the county I live in, there is no inspection as to the building itself. The only requirement for permanent power is a sign off by the health department for septic system.Building permits are required for all new construction.No structural,electrical,plumbing or heat/ac inspect.In Ga. all three of these trades must be state licensed,but it is left up to each county to enforce its own area.As far as I know there is no statewide building contractor licensing.

#147608 - 12/21/02 04:38 PM Re: Occupancy Permits  
pauluk  Offline
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Norfolk, England
It works sort of the opposite way around in England.

There's no occupancy permit here. When "planning consent" is granted for a new home or for major renovations to an existing property, it will eventually have to be signed off by some official to show that all the requirements stated in that consent have been met. However, there's nothing that I'm aware of that says one can't live in the property in the meantime.

The only thing that can happen is that a local council can get an order to tell someone they can't stay if they consider that a property is unfit for human habitation. I've never heard of that being done except in very severe cases, such as where a building is so bad that it is served with a demolition order.

All in all, most people here, at least in this part of the country, work on the principle that you don't tell the local authorities anything if you don't have to. In other words, if some official driving by can't see what you're doing, you just go ahead and do it!

#147609 - 12/28/02 10:15 PM Re: Occupancy Permits  
harold endean  Offline
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Posts: 2,233
Boonton, NJ

In NJ you need a Certificate of Occupency (CO) before you can move into a new building or an addition to your house.Some town have a CCO or Continuing Certificate of Occupency when 1 business moves out and another one moves in.

#147610 - 12/29/02 09:30 AM Re: Occupancy Permits  
sparky  Offline
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it is the same here.
it would seem NJ is one up here, kudos...
once again you've proven us a small world here. [Linked Image]

i do not know of any stats on OC's ,Goggle isn't doing me any good here.

my interest lies in the fact that an OC would seem the basic minimal and economical approach to all the obvious safety issues that arise out of sub-standard construction.

note that there are people here defaulting on loans on the premis of sub-standard construction the banks loaned out on.

third party home inspectors , even tradesmen are being solicited to testify to such atrocities here..... [Linked Image]

as this seems to have some legal leverage, the banks themselves are sending out thier own inspectors to job sites.

they are, merely a pair of eyes, meant to protect thier own interests, and would not know an outlet from an omlet as far as our trade goes.

.....interesting that the finanical institutions, and not those orginizations that continually laud themselves as public safety pillars would take action here.

#147611 - 01/01/03 12:55 PM Re: Occupancy Permits  
pauluk  Offline
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Norfolk, England
Do any of your state/county/city AHJs legally define what constitutes "living in" or "occupying" a property?

Clearly you are legally entitled to be physically present on your own land or in your own building. Where does that cross the border into occupancy? If you sit down in your unfinished building with a take-out from Taco Bell or wherever are you occupying it? What if you bring your sleeping bag and spend the night there?

If you start moving in furniture and storing it in an unfinished home, are you, yourself, occupying the building?

It seems to me that it would be quite hard to define the boundary here.

#147612 - 01/01/03 03:37 PM Re: Occupancy Permits  
sparky  Offline
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good point Paul, quite the grey area here...

speaking for the state of Vermont only, there are some serious loopholes.

'Camps' which abound here are usually considered such via a 'permanent' resident status.

So it is arguable that one could reside in such for 364 days, and viola! have all tax assessment, septic concerns,potable water, etc, follow suit.

Any authority in my experience focuses on rental property here.
As a former landlord i can see why they would, as there exists greater legal leverage for said authority to actually act on problems that may arise...

[This message has been edited by sparky (edited 01-01-2003).]

#147613 - 01/01/03 07:52 PM Re: Occupancy Permits  
ga.sparky56  Offline
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Posts: 558
young harris georgia usa
Did a rough-in once for a customer,the service was built,panel and breakers were installed,rough plumbing,septic installed.Was paying as he went from savings. He was unable to get loan to complete house.Poco put in perm. power. No switches receps or lites installed. WE went back and put blanks on everything.Btw no sheetrock.Tried, in front of 3 witnesses, to get him to sign a liability form. Refused!We took pictures of every room and the blank covers.He has been living there for 4 yrs, still not finished!Are we liable if he gets hurt tinkering with the wiring?

#147614 - 01/03/03 05:43 PM Re: Occupancy Permits  
pauluk  Offline
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Posts: 7,520
Norfolk, England
I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that under the circumstances you took all reasonable steps to make sure the wiring was left in as safe a condition as possible, i.e. you convered up all exposed live connections. In fact, I'd say you probably took more than reasonable steps to protect people.

If someone comes along afterward and messes with it, that's his fault as far as I'm concerned.

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