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#146205 - 11/05/06 09:03 AM Part P misinformation -- Still!  
pauluk  Offline
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What is it with the bureaucrats in local councils which makes them think they can ignore the law and impose their own arbitrary rules?

From http://www.tameside.gov.uk/corpgen/new/bldnoticenote.html
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All wiring and electrical works must be designed, installed, inspected and tested in accordance with the requirements of BS 7671, the IEE 16 th edition wiring guidance.

Failure to comply with these regulations is an offence, and the Council can pursue a prosecution for a fine against any person contravening them


Haven't they yet accepted that Part P does not stipulate compliance with BS7671 as being a legal requirement?


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#146206 - 11/05/06 06:46 PM Re: Part P misinformation -- Still!  
Kenbo  Offline
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I think the problem is that people do not realise that "Part P" relates to the "Building Regulations"

Things are so much simpler here in Scotland where the IEE regulations are considerd as the legal standard. Part P was intended to bring English wiring standards in line with Scottish wiring standards. Though I do agree with what you say, this clearly badly worded.


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#146207 - 11/05/06 07:58 PM Re: Part P misinformation -- Still!  
Alan Belson  Offline
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Is the word "guidance" in the above text now government shorthand for "mandatory"?
Why don't they just write "gimme money!"

Alan


Wood work but can't!

#146208 - 11/06/06 03:46 AM Re: Part P misinformation -- Still!  
Kenbo  Offline
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Alan

No in England the IEE regulations are just that "Guidance"
Where as for people like me living in Scotland the IEE regulations are the law so are "mandatory". Causes a lot of confussion. Th law is like that in other aspect over here.

Remember the Lockerbay bomer tried under Scottish law, we have three posible verdicts. Guilty, not guilty, & not proven. English law only reconises the first two.

Kenny


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#146209 - 11/06/06 04:45 AM Re: Part P misinformation -- Still!  
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Well Paul,
It has been like this here in New Zealand, for the last couple of years.
Councils can stipulate anything they like, if you don't like it, you have the option to move away from their area.
Also, bring on the prestige area.
These people hate Sat dishes, TV aerials and anything that says real life.
I'm having a wicked argument with the local council at the moment, with respect to a piece of land I own and are allowed to build upon.
It is next to one of their "prestige developments".
Tough I say, councils should be able to plan things a bit better.
I had a permit to build a 40 foot radio tower,
as soon as the council found out that they would have this to contend with, they pulled my permit.
Just note that I was there first. [Linked Image]
Councils suck.
I have $10,000 tied up in RMA stuff, before I even start building work.
I want to build a bloody house on rural land, what is so difficult about that?.


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#146210 - 11/06/06 08:27 AM Re: Part P misinformation -- Still!  
Alan Belson  Offline
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Mike,
99 WAYS TO SKIN A CAT.
Check first, but you may find that 'works of art' are not covered by planning law in NZ, as your laws are basically written across from the English. Withdraw your antenna proposal in writng and build the house.

Then put up a 100 ft tall plastic banana! Or a glassfiber middle finger, that WOULD be really cool!! [Linked Image]
Some guy in the UK had a huge 50 ft glassfiber shark nosediving into his roof after a run-in with his Planning Gestapo. They went right up to the House of Lords to get an injunction to get it removed and failed.
Work of Art, not in their remit!

Alan


Wood work but can't!

#146211 - 11/06/06 06:33 PM Re: Part P misinformation -- Still!  
gideonr  Offline
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I've got into disscussions with Tameside about their website. Their reply was:

----
In what sense are you unhappy?

failure to comply with Part P i.e. unsafe electrical works would be a building regs offence

If it is the final paragraph - this is a cautionary warning to owners

Let me know if you have any suggestions to improve the advice?
----

Any suggestions then?
Gideon.


#146212 - 11/07/06 07:18 PM Re: Part P misinformation -- Still!  
gideonr  Offline
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Well, thanks for getting in touch with Tameside Council.

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The guidance I accept is an over simplication of the complex provisions of Part P

I don't see the actual content of Part P as being particularly complex at all. Somewhat vague yes, but complex no.

At least you've received a somewhat helpful response, but I still think it is wrong for the council to be posting information on its website which is simply not correct (i.e. that work must comply with BS7671).



[This message has been edited by pauluk (edited 11-10-2006).]


#146213 - 11/08/06 04:42 PM Re: Part P misinformation -- Still!  
Kenbo  Offline
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So why did they just not say that
All electrical work has to notaifed to the council who will then send out an inspector after the work has been done to test and inspect the system. Unless the work is carried out by a suitibly registerd electrician who will test and notifiy the relevent authorites.

Kenny


der Großvater

#146214 - 11/10/06 08:38 PM Re: Part P misinformation -- Still!  
pauluk  Offline
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Well, thanks for getting in touch with Tameside Council.

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The guidance I accept is an over simplication of the complex provisions of Part P

I don't see the actual content of Part P as being particularly complex at all. Somewhat vague yes, but complex no.

At least you've received a somewhat helpful response, but I still think it is wrong for the council to be posting information on its website which is simply not correct (i.e. that work must comply with BS7671).



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