It has a bracket with holes spaced 45 mm apart that looks like it's intended to be surface-mounted to the ceiling. The light then hangs from the bracket via two screws on the side. The cylindrical cover has a diameter of 70 mm and is about 23 mm deep, providing a volume of about 88 cm³.
I can make an adapter plate without too much trouble to fit this light to a US ceiling box, but I'm curious to know how this would be installed in Germany. Are there ceiling boxes over there, or does the wire just come through a small hole in the ceiling? Would the connections be done inside the cover on the light (doesn't seem like there's much room for that), or would they be done inside the ceiling?
Hi there Steve, Welcome to ECN!. By the looks of the bracket on your German light fitting, there is no need for a box above the fitting. That bracket, screws directly to a timber joist, using wood screws and then the top is attached by the set screws on each side. Personally I'd use at least 3 screws and make sure that they go into substantial timber in the ceiling.
Yes the connections are made in the top part of the fitting, as un-believable as that sounds. What voltage is this fitting?. Hope that this is of some help.
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Re: Standard German ceiling light mounting?#142543 02/02/0502:54 PM02/02/0502:54 PM
Sparkys nightmare connecting light fittings, most of the fittings end up as a deviation to BS 7671 when connected up. Paul the Mystro accessory in your link is the best solution but can be a fiddle to addapt. Have to admit the US solution appears best with a good strong metal box with tapped holes. Why lighting manufacturers can not standardise a fixing plate I will never understand.
Re: Standard German ceiling light mounting?#142547 02/03/0503:12 AM02/03/0503:12 AM
The Swedish solution is - as I think a lot of you here know by now - either a round box with a hook and a small socket outlet or simply a hook and a small trailing socket. (The box will support a maximum of 15 kg / 33 lbs.) This would have worked well if the manufacturers of lights didn't insist on making the hooks and covers in only two versions: bad and worse.
Re: Standard German ceiling light mounting?#142548 02/03/0501:56 PM02/03/0501:56 PM
Thanks, everyone! I've been lurking around here for awhile, and I've found the non-US forum particularly interesting and enlightening. Somebody should write a book comparing and detailing the electrical systems in use throughout the world.
the connections are made in the top part of the fitting, as un-believable as that sounds. What voltage is this fitting?
230 V, which probably explains the small wiring space – less current and smaller, easier-to-manage wires than our 120 V requires.
connections would typically be made inside the fixture housing using "choc blocks"
Yep, it even came with one of those, as well as a couple of 230-V QT-DE 11/12 (78 mm) bulbs. If anybody wants the bulbs, you're welcome to them.
Re: Standard German ceiling light mounting?#142549 02/03/0504:25 PM02/03/0504:25 PM
Are the bulbs regular incandescents that screw in?
If they use the "French Candelabra" (a size between Intermediate and Candelabra bases), there is a reducer available that just screws onto the bulbs and enables regular candelabra/night light bulbs to be used with these European sockets.
Re: Standard German ceiling light mounting?#142550 02/03/0504:53 PM02/03/0504:53 PM