ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Shout Box
Recent Posts
VDE 0100 to introduce AFCIs
by sparky. 01/20/18 05:09 PM
MRI LED lights dimmer control replacement - wow!
by Potseal. 01/19/18 08:52 PM
Video: Inventor of the GFCI self-testing shocks
by Bill Addiss. 01/17/18 11:11 PM
FPE in Germany
by HotLine1. 01/17/18 07:07 PM
Fujifilm Recalls Power Adapter Wall Plugs
by Admin. 01/16/18 07:04 PM
New in the Gallery:
Housebilding DIY wiring
SE cable question
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 8 guests, and 12 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
cable size #141872
11/06/04 10:57 AM
11/06/04 10:57 AM
J
james S  Offline OP
Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 107
West England
does anyone have problems determining the size of cables between 4mm2 and 6mm2?
this can be a seriouse mistake if misjudged.

Also does anyone use a micrometre to calculate the size of cable using 3.14 * radius squared?

i have tried this method and cant seem to determine the true sizes both on stranded and solid.

Test Equipment:
Large Selection of Test Equipment For Electrical, HVAC, Test & Measurement
Large Selection of Test Equipment For Electrical, HVAC, Test & Measurement
Re: cable size #141873
11/06/04 04:07 PM
11/06/04 04:07 PM
Trumpy  Offline

Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,231
SI,New Zealand
James,
Quote
does anyone have problems determining the size of cables between 4mm2 and 6mm2?

Not as a rule, any Electrician worthy of the name would know that a 4mm2 wire comprises 7 wires each being 0.85mm in diameter.
A 6mm2 wire comprises 7 wires having a diameter of 1.04mm.
Quote
Also does anyone use a micrometre to calculate the size of cable using 3.14 * radius squared?

Personally I've used a micrometer, to gauge Commutators and to gauge the gap on a set of HV reclosers, but if a guy bought a set of them out to measure wire sizes on a job site?.
It's good, quality Control!. [Linked Image]

Re: cable size #141874
11/06/04 04:48 PM
11/06/04 04:48 PM
P
pauluk  Offline
Member
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 7,520
Norfolk, England
I must admit that at a quick glance it's much harder to distinguish between 4 and 6mm than between, say, 1.5 and 2.5mm.

Actually, it wouldn't be a bad idea if the cables were marked somewhat more clearly as to conductor size.

Re: cable size #141875
11/06/04 07:11 PM
11/06/04 07:11 PM
U
uksparky  Offline
Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 200
UK
"...any Electrician worthy of the name would know..." Aw...steady on! [Linked Image]

Unless you are opening an accessory or looking at the conductors you can't see how many strands there are...

Personally I haven't been caught out yet, but I can quite see how someone trying to ID whether an isolated sample in a bundle is 4 mil or 6 mil might struggle; particularly as different manufacturers use differing thicknesses of outer sheath. I go with Paul here - a better indication on the sheath would not go amiss.

As for a quick ID - not always that easy.


If hindsight were foresight, we'd all be millionaires!
Re: cable size #141876
11/07/04 10:36 AM
11/07/04 10:36 AM
J
james S  Offline OP
Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 107
West England
If you find it hard to tell the difference between two different sized cables, your not worthy of the title 'electrician'?
now things are getting a bit silly.

i have known many people to misjudge cable sizes, this was only a question trumphy i did not ask to be insulted.

thanks for your reply/honesty pauluk,uksparky

Re: cable size #141877
11/08/04 05:28 AM
11/08/04 05:28 AM
C
C-H  Offline
Member
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,497
Stockholm, Sweden
Suggestion: The manufacturers could print/stamp the size as a 6 with a trailing square on the individual cores with regular intervals. (American cables would have a #10 [Linked Image] )

The distance between the markings should be relatively short and on both sides of the core. (I know a circle only has one side, but you know what I mean [Linked Image] )

Otherwise, the American concept of coulour coding the cable sheat is not bad. On European NYM, you could colour code the filler instead of the sheat. (White - 1.5 mm2, Yellow - 2.5 mm2, Orange - 4 mm2)

Re: cable size #141878
11/08/04 07:22 PM
11/08/04 07:22 PM
U
uksparky  Offline
Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 200
UK
'S ok James [Linked Image]

Without questions we gain nothing...


If hindsight were foresight, we'd all be millionaires!
Re: cable size #141879
11/08/04 09:12 PM
11/08/04 09:12 PM
Trumpy  Offline

Member
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,231
SI,New Zealand
Whoa!,
Sorry guys. [Linked Image]
Quote
this was only a question trumphy i did not ask to be insulted.

James, I never intended to come across in such a condescending fashion, this was not my intention at all.
I apologise for my comments.
Oddly enough, our TPS cables are marked as to thier size and the number of cores and the types of cores (ie:2C+E or 3C).
Also they have a metre-marking on them, to identify, the amount remaining on your reel.
This comes in handy for stock control and charging out cable lengths used on jobs.

Re: cable size #141880
11/09/04 10:41 AM
11/09/04 10:41 AM
J
james S  Offline OP
Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 107
West England
during my apprentiship using a micrometre to size up cable was one of the things to be carried out as part of your portfolio.A while back now though.
ive noticed some brands of ammoured cables also don't have the size/amount of cores.

colour code would not be a bad idea.

ps no apology needed,all's forgotten [Linked Image]

[This message has been edited by james S (edited 11-09-2004).]

Re: cable size #141881
11/09/04 03:10 PM
11/09/04 03:10 PM
U
uksparky  Offline
Member
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 200
UK
Quote
Also they have a metre-marking on them, to identify, the amount remaining on your reel.


Now that I could really get used to!!

What a sensible plan.


If hindsight were foresight, we'd all be millionaires!
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Featured:

2017 Master Electrician Exam Preparation Combos
2017 NEC Electrician
Exam Prep Combos:
Master / Journeyman

 

Member Spotlight
MarkC10
MarkC10
CA, Inland Empire
Posts: 43
Joined: September 2013
Show All Member Profiles 
Top Posters(30 Days)
Admin 20
sparky 16
Potseal 15
Popular Topics(Views)
243,572 Are you busy
180,369 Re: Forum
170,846 Need opinion
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1
(Release build 20180101)
Page Time: 0.019s Queries: 15 (0.004s) Memory: 1.0251 MB (Peak: 1.2018 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2018-01-21 02:48:40 UTC