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Safety for DIY's-Bob's BB #13526
09/06/02 08:11 PM
09/06/02 08:11 PM
electure  Offline
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 4,264
Fullerton, CA USA
A real neat thing has happened!
Looks like Joe's the Moderator, & has cleaned out the dangerous and crazy posts in the Bob Vila Bulletin Board.
I think it's a good day for DIY.

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Re: Safety for DIY's-Bob's BB #13527
09/07/02 05:55 AM
09/07/02 05:55 AM
Electricmanscott  Offline
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,457
Holden, MA USA
Ok I will play devils advocate here. I have been very clear on my thoughts about diy's. Not all, just the ones who make it painfully clear they are in over their heads. There are people who do not have a problem with diy's and as such are willing to help. Which brings me to my question. If Joe deletes a post that may appear to be a foolish or dangerous question, does this create a more dangerous situation in that the person gets no advice directing them to a safe solution? (Ie call a pro, or try this it will work better) Also while I can certainly do without general insults and obvious attemps at disruption I have a SERIOUS problem with censorship. I am somewhat squirmish about one person deciding what they may feel is unneccesary or might be offensive to people. I mean this not as a slam towards Joe it is just my opinon.

Re: Safety for DIY's-Bob's BB #13528
09/07/02 06:35 AM
09/07/02 06:35 AM
Joe Tedesco  Offline
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,749
Boston, Massachusetts USA
Believe me, I was careful when I deleted a post or thread, and it was for a good reason.

I am slowly going to transform that board into something we can all be proud of, you can be sure of that!

When I found a message that was over four years old that had only one reply, and it asked about the position of the U ground what do you think I did?

If you have visited that location recently, you will see a little less traffic, but a lot of information some of which we can use as well.

Please, don't be afraid to continue to add messages there. If you have suggestions or any problems please let me know.

PS: What should I do with this one?

[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 09-07-2002).]

Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant
Re: Safety for DIY's-Bob's BB #13529
09/07/02 09:21 AM
09/07/02 09:21 AM
Jim M  Offline
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 457
Chestertown, MD, USA
Joe, I think those replies are appropriate and warn of the dangers involved.

Maybe you would like to take on another board. Go to ask the experts and then the electrical board. Sorry I don't know how to add a link. This guy Denis, quotes Code that doesn't apply, or tells people that aren't qualified how to do service changes. If called on an answer he will edit your post to make you look like the idiot. So much for quality help. One of his recent posts "This is what UF and NM cable is insulated with .THHN -THWN...but not intended for conduit install.No cable solid is"

due to the stresses involved. Huh?, no solid in conduit? OK where do you use solid?Whenever I install conduit it's with consideration to avoid this stress.

[This message has been edited by Jim M (edited 09-07-2002).]

Re: Safety for DIY's-Bob's BB #13530
09/07/02 09:47 AM
09/07/02 09:47 AM
Electric Eagle  Offline
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 914
Alpharetta, GA
I just looked at and have to agree with you, it's worse than Bob V's site. In one post a guy recomends using a 50 amp breaker for a 3600watt/240v range. [Linked Image]
I don't think Joe has enough time to moderate every board and I really don't know what the solution is.

Re: Safety for DIY's-Bob's BB #13531
09/07/02 10:41 AM
09/07/02 10:41 AM
Joe Tedesco  Offline
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,749
Boston, Massachusetts USA

[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 09-10-2002).]

Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant
Re: Safety for DIY's-Bob's BB #13532
09/07/02 10:44 AM
09/07/02 10:44 AM
pauluk  Offline
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 7,520
Norfolk, England
Tough call sometimes, Joe, and I don't envy your position trying to decide what stays and what goes.

On the quoted thread, I don't see anything which would encourage someone to get in over his head. On the contrary, if just one person sees that old thread, realizes that he is in the same position, and gets expert help before he fries himself or burns his house down, then it's served a useful purpose in remaining.

I'm still firmly of the opinion that when it comes to giving DIY advice there is no set rule and we just have to assess each case on its own merits.

[This message has been edited by pauluk (edited 09-07-2002).]

Re: Safety for DIY's-Bob's BB #13533
09/07/02 12:50 PM
09/07/02 12:50 PM
txsparky  Offline
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 552
Magnolia,.Texas U.S.A.
All of the diy boards seem to have problems.On the TV station DIY,they were showing how to install an undercounter flourescent fixture:cut the plug off of the end of the cord and fish it down the wallinto a countertop receptacle and tie it in ; Can you believe they televised it???The instructions are also on their website;

Re: Safety for DIY's-Bob's BB #13534
09/07/02 07:37 PM
09/07/02 07:37 PM
sparky  Offline
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,344
so many DIYer's, so little time eh?

seems like a 'wag the dog' scenario.....

Re: Safety for DIY's-Bob's BB #13535
09/07/02 10:04 PM
09/07/02 10:04 PM
Bjarney  Offline
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,527
West-Southern Inner-Northeast ...
Joe — Re:

"Holy chit!" Indeed. [The original poster received good advice by a guy signed electricmanscott.]

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