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Lightning damage investigation. #13121
08/25/02 10:08 AM
08/25/02 10:08 AM
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Redsy  Offline OP
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Bucks County PA
How little or how much assessing to a residential wiring system should be conducted after a hit?
I did one yesterday and found..

Fried TV, Computer, Microwave.
No ground rod.
Water meter not jumpered.

I installed a rod and jumpered the meter.
It had been a couple weeks since the hit and she said that everything else was operating OK.
I explained the megger test but informed her that if everything was not disconnected, the test would provide questionable results. Also, if everything was disconnected, and unsatisfactory, or marginal readings were observed it could be extremely difficult and costly to locate the problem.
She is going to think about it .

Anyone else have any ideas?

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Re: Lightning damage investigation. #13122
08/25/02 11:10 AM
08/25/02 11:10 AM
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golf junkie  Offline
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York, NE
Sounds like you did fine Redsy. Here in the rural midwest these are frequent.

Did one a few weeks ago. A rural house, the lightening entered the residence through the CB radio mast, came down the antenna lead to a shelf in the kitchen where the radio equipment was located. It was a 12vdc radio powered by a 120vac/12vdc converter, both the radio and power supply were reduced to a burned lump of electronics.

The lightening entered the house power system through the plug strip that the power supply was using. Followed that circuit back to the main service entrance and then went to ground through the water well, destroying the well controller and submersible well motor in the process.

Total damage was;
All devices on the kitchen circuit replaced.
Kitchen and Well ckt. breakers replace.
Well controller and motor.

Somehow, none of the kitchen appliances were damaged....to my surprise.

Also they were very lucky not to have a major fire in the kitchen. There was a small fire that burned itself out quickly damaging only the wallpaper.

GJ

Note: the service was properly grounded with a water pipe bond and ground rod, yet the lightening chose to follow the electrical ckt. to ground through the pump motor.

Re: Lightning damage investigation. #13123
08/25/02 01:01 PM
08/25/02 01:01 PM
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George Corron  Offline
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Lorton, Va USA
GJ,
Was the antenna mast grounded? I often find that is the 'welcome mat' for such things.

Redsy, without going into details, I can just about write your exact scenario (matter of fact it is written up for class) and after installing proper ground rod and jumpering water meter, guy has not had any problems since.

Re: Lightning damage investigation. #13124
08/25/02 10:56 PM
08/25/02 10:56 PM
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Bjarney  Offline
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gj— Interesting comments about the submersible-pump damage. Of course, different regions have different practices, but do you know if the damaged pump was in a plastic or metal casing? Do you know if that’s understood to make any difference?

Re: Lightning damage investigation. #13125
08/27/02 03:44 AM
08/27/02 03:44 AM
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TE  Offline
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USA
I would do by best to physically inspect the wiring of the circuits the fried items were on.It may be a difficult thing to accomplish, but I have seen insulation badly melted on type NM inside of wall cavities after a strike.

Re: Lightning damage investigation. #13126
08/27/02 06:33 AM
08/27/02 06:33 AM
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sparky  Offline
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would not a good meggin' do?

Re: Lightning damage investigation. #13127
08/27/02 10:27 AM
08/27/02 10:27 AM
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Redsy  Offline OP
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Bucks County PA
spark,

Iam considering megging.
I'm not sure she wants to pay the cost for what may result in more questions or more work. And still be inconclusive.

Well, here goes...

What about installing an AFCI on the circuit that had the damaged appliances.
If the insulation has been compromised, the resulting arc-fault shoul be a parallel type.
Correct?

Re: Lightning damage investigation. #13128
08/27/02 11:25 AM
08/27/02 11:25 AM
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sparky  Offline
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sounds easier than x-ray vision, i get headaches from eyestrain...... [Linked Image]

Re: Lightning damage investigation. #13129
08/27/02 02:33 PM
08/27/02 02:33 PM
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ElectricAL  Offline
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Posts: 597
Minneapolis, MN USA
Square D, in Data Bulletin 0760DB0201R06/02 titled: "The Truth About AFCIs", states:
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Is equipment available for testing after wiring is installed so that contractors can demonstrate that their work has been competently completed?

...we are not aware of special equipment available for such testing. If wiring is installed competently, there should be no reason for any testing that is not done for a circuit without an AFCI. However, there are two possible practices that can be used to test the installation, if a test is desired:
<OL TYPE=A>

[*]Probably the best test is to install an AFCI, at least temporarily, in the circuit. For this test to be efeective, the circuit must be complete, since it must be energized as in service with 120 volts. First, use the test button to verify that the AFCI is functioning properly. Then leave the AFCI in the energized circuit for some period of time. If it does not trip, that is an indication that the circuit is acceptable.

[*](describes using a Megger - Al)
</OL>


Al


Al Hildenbrand
Re: Lightning damage investigation. #13130
08/27/02 06:03 PM
08/27/02 06:03 PM
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golf junkie  Offline
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York, NE
Bj- Don't know about the submersible pump casing.

Using a AFCI to "test" a circuit sounds flakey to me. I would trust a megger to find any insulation faults......I don't think that an AFCI can do that.

GJ

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