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#130551 - 07/22/06 01:02 PM Residential Device Termination Best Practice Question  
hodger  Offline
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Hello all:

I am interested in this forums opinions on the pro's and con's of "stabbing" wires into back of devices versus "screwing" down. As of now, our company use the screw method, but more and more over the years we are seeing this as the abnormal practice in our area.

Does it make since to continue to take the extra time to do this on our trim outs?


rick

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#130552 - 07/22/06 02:08 PM Re: Residential Device Termination Best Practice Question  
NJwirenut  Offline
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I have seen way to many poor connections and burned up wires to trust the backstab terminations. I always use the screw terminals, or better yet the screw down "pressure plate" type found on high quality devices.


#130553 - 07/22/06 06:19 PM Re: Residential Device Termination Best Practice Question  
JoeTestingEngr  Offline
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I was taught not to back wire in the 70's. I have not seen anything to convince me that it is a good idea. When you twist the wire around the screw and tighten down, I think your contact area is a little more certain.
Joe


#130554 - 07/24/06 06:07 PM Re: Residential Device Termination Best Practice Question  
VAElec  Offline
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Sterling, Virginia, US
I love the "pressure plate" type termination. Back stab ease, but you still screw it down. Have found both backstab, and hook it and screw it down type devices burned up. I think if you avoid cheap devices, the termination style does not matter to a huge degree.


Pete

#130555 - 07/24/06 10:43 PM Re: Residential Device Termination Best Practice Question  
Celtic  Offline
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Have you ever stabbed a breaker?
I think that speaks volumes on the subject.


~~ CELTIC ~~
...-= NJ =-...

#130556 - 07/25/06 02:28 AM Re: Residential Device Termination Best Practice Question  
mxslick  Offline
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celtic:

How about those horrible Zinscos with the quick release? [Linked Image]

I think I have a few in my junk pile. [Linked Image]


Stupid should be painful.

#130557 - 12/24/06 12:57 PM Re: Residential Device Termination Best Practice Question  
Obsaleet  Offline
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I personnally love the stab in the back................they keep me in business. Garuanteed service calls in the waiting. Usally the 1st device on the circuit stab fails when the load side devices are loaded up. Space heater on the last device and a couple of lamps and boom a service call for no power, power keeps going on and off, burned device, open neutral, etc.
Ob


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#130558 - 12/24/06 01:07 PM Re: Residential Device Termination Best Practice Question  
gfretwell  Offline


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I think a sure fire way to make a stab fail is to have the wire less than perfectly straight when you stab it.


Greg Fretwell

#130559 - 12/24/06 01:14 PM Re: Residential Device Termination Best Practice Question  
iwire  Offline
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Have you ever stabbed a breaker?


Yes.

Somewhere on this site I have a picture of a QO twin breaker with speedwire terminals.


Bob Badger
Construction & Maintenance Electrician
Massachusetts

#130560 - 01/05/07 12:52 AM Re: Residential Device Termination Best Practice Question  
tdhorne  Offline
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Quote
quote:Have you ever stabbed a breaker?

Yes.

Somewhere on this site I have a picture of a QO twin breaker with speedwire terminals.

Iwire
Say it aint so. QOs with back stabs. That's it the world has officially gone to hell.
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Tom Horne


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"This alternating current stuff is just a fad. It is much too dangerous for general use" Thomas Alva Edison

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