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Transformer rooms #12943
08/22/02 07:55 AM
08/22/02 07:55 AM
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George Corron  Offline OP
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Lorton, Va USA
This being a rather diverse group, lemme throw one out here.

High Voltage (OK, Medium - 13.8kv) room containing network protectors, switchgear, and transformers, liquid and dry.

Air - Positive or negative pressure? Arguments are - Negative and all the dust comes into your room, Positive and in case of fire all the fumes blow into your egress hallways. Natural ventilation is highly impractical, or not possible.

I can find no code pointing to either. Does anyone have any info on if it should be positive or negative? Article 450 quotes an ANSI document C57.12.00-1993 but I don't have it, and can't even find it on ANSI's website.

Arguments OK, but I prefer code references.

Thanks.

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Re: Transformer rooms #12944
08/22/02 11:00 AM
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dana1028  Offline
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San Carlos, CA
George - I can't cite a code reference for you - sorry - even looked in the Fire Codes - But I'll bet you dollars-to-donuts that your Fire Marshall has an opinion (that he'll want enforced) about this; and one other source I've experienced has a final say-so is the company's insurance underwriters. I manage construction projects for a Fortune 500 company and we've found belatedly that the insurance underwriters through their engineering dept. have made demands above and beyond the codes...thus we've learned to run a few things by them first.

Re: Transformer rooms #12945
08/22/02 11:20 AM
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George Corron  Offline OP
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Part of the problem is.......after much discussion with pros and cons on both sides, the Far (I am Southern) Marshall has left it squarely on me.........I HATE when that happens [Linked Image]

Re: Transformer rooms #12946
08/22/02 12:10 PM
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Re: Transformer rooms #12947
08/23/02 12:25 PM
08/23/02 12:25 PM
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Geno  Offline
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In Transformer rooms on our campus some 4160 others 13200 we use fresh air intakes with fire damper control and exhaust fans with shunt trip control from the fire alarm system.

Re: Transformer rooms #12948
08/23/02 03:11 PM
08/23/02 03:11 PM
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Bjarney  Offline
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West-Southern Inner-Northeast ...
As cited, C57.12.00 is an IEEE document, and may or may not have be adopted by ANSI. At any rate, I doubt if it would give much guidance on room ventilation.

If you are in a pinch for older standards, global.ihs.com seems to have good service.

I know this is mutiny, but you might try posting at: eng-tips.com/gthreadminder.cfm/lev2/11/lev3/47/pid/238




[This message has been edited by Bjarney (edited 08-23-2002).]

Re: Transformer rooms #12949
08/24/02 12:44 AM
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elecbob  Offline
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George. Are we talking about utility supplied xfmrs. here?
Bob

Re: Transformer rooms #12950
08/24/02 05:14 AM
08/24/02 05:14 AM
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George Corron  Offline OP
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Negative e-Bob,
These are all customer supplied.

Re: Transformer rooms #12951
08/25/02 07:40 AM
08/25/02 07:40 AM
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The Low Voltage / VA ones I have dealt with [600 VAC and lower, 750 KVA and down] which were installed inside of a Designated "Electrical Room", normally would have supply air blowing in 24/7, and maybe a very small return air register / grill [if any!].

Some came directly from the cold air supply of HVAC systems, others were connected to like a "Dedicated Cold Air Supply For Equipment" Plenum, others just blew in outside air.

Don't recall seeing any that were negative pressure [return air only], probably due to the fact that the Buildings used ceiling space for return air [AKA Plenum Ceilings], and this would really "Suck" [no pun intended] for cooling transformers!

Now as for the PoCo's Transformer Vaults, they are normally Passive Cooled with noticeable vent stacks popping up from the vaults.

On one project in Westwood Village [on Wilshire Blvd. just down the street from Beverly Hills], the meters and MSB's were in the basement next to the PoCo's 34.5 KV Transformer Vault [separated by a locked explosion and fire resistant door]. This vault was only ventilated at the street, but did have a blower to move air.
So did the gear room, since it had a bunch of transformers inside. This area was positive pressure, but not ducted for return.

Scott S.E.T.


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