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#120565 - 04/20/05 08:43 PM UL Listed Fittings?  
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UL Listed Fittings?

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#120566 - 04/21/05 08:22 AM Re: UL Listed Fittings?  
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SI,New Zealand
Well then what have we here?.
Looks like 2" Galvanised Steel Water Pipe to me.
And by the looks of the rest of the work in this area, it makes you wonder who is in charge of this place. [Linked Image]

#120567 - 04/21/05 12:40 PM Re: UL Listed Fittings?  
Alan Nadon  Offline
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Elkhart, IN. USA
The 45' angles are listed.....
In the plumbing catalogue.

I have seen this done before, outside to get around a foundation projection. It got red tagged and changed.

I have also seen a service where the "installer" used a plumbing Y to go from the service disconnect to two subpanels.
This also got red tagged but, burned down before it was corrected. Because it was documented that the owner had done the work the insurance company only paid for the board up. Everything else was an out of pocket loss.

If it was easy, anyone could do it.

#120568 - 04/21/05 02:08 PM Re: UL Listed Fittings?  
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Wharton, Texas, USA
Those of you in the business will probably see a number of issues here (and I would be interested in hearing about them). The thing that would concern me the most would be the sharp edges inside these fittings and the potential damage (either at the time of "install", or later) to the conductors.

In my part of the world, I see this done regularly with PVC fittings in rural areas, where there is no AHJ. [Linked Image]

Mike (mamills)

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#120569 - 04/21/05 02:12 PM Re: UL Listed Fittings?  
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Atomic City, ID USA
Look closely at the upper right of the first pic, behind the knotted zip cord (!)....

Looks like this was red-tagged at some point! [Linked Image]

And uh-oh, is that an FPE panel below the tag?

Stupid should be painful.

#120570 - 04/21/05 02:22 PM Re: UL Listed Fittings?  
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Wharton, Texas, USA
mxslick: it sure looks like an early Federal panel. It's most likely a "main + range + 4"
equivalent of the Square D panels to the left. I wonder if the service from the meter hits this panel first, and then is double lugged to the panel to the left, and so on, instead of using a wireway for all three.

Mike (mamills)

#120571 - 04/21/05 07:44 PM Re: UL Listed Fittings?  
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Posts: 16
racine, wi
the red (actually orange) tag is the Teleco ground wire identifier.
The service Duplex) enters into the far left panel then splits to the middle panel. The "plumbed in" panel is supposed to be a sub-panel, however, the #6 conductors to the main pullout were tapped under the terminal screws on the main of the middle panel.
The zip cord was an extension cord that the homeowner used to plug in at the top of the stairs. It was connected to a "painters light." Reason: the basement light switch was broken.
The other concern is the clearance here. The two far panels are blocked by the washing machine.
We relocated service to provide required clearance. We installed 2-100Amp CB panels and got rid of the fuse boxes.

[This message has been edited by tshea (edited 04-21-2005).]

#120572 - 04/21/05 08:22 PM Re: UL Listed Fittings?  
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What's that poking out from behind the door of that Federal panel?.
Is it a cable?.

#120573 - 04/21/05 09:34 PM Re: UL Listed Fittings?  
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Posts: 4,262
Fullerton, CA USA
Welcome tshea!

How 'bout some pictures of the new install? [Linked Image]

#120574 - 04/22/05 04:15 AM Re: UL Listed Fittings?  
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SI,New Zealand
Just a little thread-jack (sort of), if I may.
Can anyone post a picture of an actual Red Tag?.
I'd actually like to see one up close.
I'm not insinuating that you guys have lots of them around to take pictures of. [Linked Image]
We don't have a Red tag system over here, instead going for the more pro-active system of Mr PoCo worker comes around and removes the fuse(s), until it's safe enough to carry electricity again.
Some people I've met aren't too keen on this system, but it gets results mind you. [Linked Image]

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[This message has been edited by Trumpy (edited 04-22-2005).]

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