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Working Space Violation? #119620
01/09/05 10:13 PM
01/09/05 10:13 PM
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Had a service call where customer couldn't make lights work, even though they insisted that they had checked all the breakers.

I found an additional panel located directly behind the customers' own desk, concealed by a painting.

Would you consider the painting to violate working space requirements? What about other methods we've seen people use to hide/camoflage the ugly panel?

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Re: Working Space Violation? #119621
01/10/05 04:25 AM
01/10/05 04:25 AM
kd  Offline
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Posts: 52
The painting is a good idea assuming it is removable. A painting of Benjamin Franklin would be even better.

Re: Working Space Violation? #119622
01/10/05 10:44 AM
01/10/05 10:44 AM
Gloria  Offline
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 364
Budapest, Hungary
As I remember, that should be a safe box. [Linked Image]

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Re: Working Space Violation? #119623
01/10/05 07:05 PM
01/10/05 07:05 PM
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Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 8,231
SI,New Zealand
Yes John, I would consider it a work space violation.
Not only that, it's a pretty nasty sort of a trick to go hiding panels like that.
Oh well, your customer paid for that lapse of memory!. [Linked Image]
Mind you, driving nails into a wall above a panel, isn't exactly my idea of a great party trick.

Re: Working Space Violation? #119624
01/10/05 07:37 PM
01/10/05 07:37 PM
Electricmanscott  Offline
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 1,457
Holden, MA USA
Only if you are climbing behid the painting to work on the panel.

Re: Working Space Violation? #119625
01/10/05 08:09 PM
01/10/05 08:09 PM
PCBelarge  Offline
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 681
Dobbs Ferry, NY, USA
I would consider this not readily accessible.

When you cannot see the workspace, is it a violation of workspace?

Sort of like, does a tree that falls in the forest make any noise?
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Re: Working Space Violation? #119626
01/10/05 10:20 PM
01/10/05 10:20 PM
wa2ise  Offline
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Posts: 785
Oradell NJ USA
I've hidden a panel behind a picture myself. As for the hook, I used a magnetic backed piece of metal with a prong bent out to hang the picture on. Magnetically stuck to the steel panel cover. The botton of the panel does extend an inch or so below the bottom of the picture. No nail to find a wire with, and I can easily remove the magnetic hook before the electrician comes [Linked Image] Just hope nobody decides to loosen the panel cover screws and slip the picture hanging wire over and behind the cover....

At least the desk wasn't up against the wall; all you had in the way was a chair on wheels.

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