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#115179 - 08/23/03 04:07 PM Welder Box  
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I ran into this little gem at a carpet dyeing company.
(I removed the tape from the "splice")...S
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#115180 - 08/24/03 12:05 AM Re: Welder Box  
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Looks like whoever installed this didn't understand basic concepts of using electricity in a reasonably safe manner. That much smaller wire spliced to the heavy wire would worry me, in the sense that the smaller wire has not enough over current protection. Also, it looks like those smaller wires are not going thru a raceway (that the right term, yes?) like conduit. Just thru a hole in the wall....

Unless you can get them to let you rewire everything in this place, I wouldn't do anything there. There's undoubtly many more serious mistakes around there.


#115181 - 08/24/03 09:46 AM Re: Welder Box  
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Is it just me or would it have been hard to get the 6 AWG through the 90 degree fitting on the right side of the box?

wa2ise,

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#115182 - 08/24/03 10:21 AM Re: Welder Box  
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Reminds me of the way our old doorbell was fed. Only it was stranded zip cord wrapped around the solid wire in the wall just like that.


#115183 - 08/24/03 01:08 PM Re: Welder Box  
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Are Austrian doorbells commonly fed by an outboard transformer or is the bell itself designed for connection to the 220 volt mains?

While in Tijuana, B.C. I saw for sale in a discount superstore a doorbell designed for connection across our 120 volt mains. The label on the back of the blisterpack said it was made in England.

Should have bought it....not enough money though. First time I ever saw those. Normally the bells I've seen get their power off a small step-down transformer.


#115184 - 08/24/03 01:43 PM Re: Welder Box  
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I've seen both systems. Door phone systems are always 12V, but simple oldfashioned bells are available in 220V as well as in 12V versions. That one was a simple black 1950ies 220V bell. I rewired the entire circuit, but the old bell and pushbutton are still working.


#115185 - 08/26/03 12:30 AM Re: Welder Box  
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I also noticed the wires leaving the back of the box look like they are just going into a hole drilled in the block. At least they ran an EGC with them.


#115186 - 08/26/03 07:56 AM Re: Welder Box  
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There is a silver lining to this cloud.
I was out at this building for the purpose of demoing out a lot of this junk for a new tenant.
Although the EGC is run with the other conductors through the hole in the block wall, it's bonded to the box via a plastic masonry anchor.
That 90° connector is a violation itself of 300.18(A).
I'll send in a couple more pictures of this "pidgeon palace" to Bill...S



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