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It would have been easer to Use 3R equipment #115147
08/20/03 12:39 AM
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Re: It would have been easer to Use 3R equipment #115148
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These photos come from a grocery stores electric rooms.

I went there for a service call, I have been to more than 30 of this chains stores and they are all more or less the same.

Not one of the other ones has the drip pans this one does.

Photos 1 and 2 are of the same gear and you can see the 12"x12" can I had to work in, it is clear in photo 1 and barely visible in photo 2 to the right of the trough.

Photos 3, 4, and 5 are of some gear located in another equipment room.

Photo 4 you can see the refrigeration contractor ran parallel to the gear as the prints for these stores always show, the stores engineers know about space requirements.

Photo 5 you can see a plumbing vent, the plans would not have it located there, we would have caught that early and had it moved.

Photos 6, 7 and 8 are all taken from the same direction at a wall with energy management controls and electric defrost control panels (the blue cabinets)

Photo 6 shows a water line that is more than 3' feet from the wall.

Photo 7 You can get an idea of the working space for the defrost panels, these are full of contactors and fuses operating at 208 volt.

Photo 8 You say you might want to open this piece of trough?

Photo 9 again the only pipe even near is at least 6' away.

Note the labor involved here with all the penetrations sealed.

Bob (iwire)

Re: It would have been easer to Use 3R equipment #115149
09/06/06 06:22 PM
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Re: It would have been easer to Use 3R equipment #115150
09/06/06 07:22 PM
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You think it was required by the local AHJ in this one supermarket?


-George
Re: It would have been easer to Use 3R equipment #115151
09/06/06 08:03 PM
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Within the grocery industry it is normal for the chain to purchase all of the major equipment and light fixtures directly from the manufacturer.

Once the inspector started to kick the grocer used its buying power to have a sheet metal firm bang out a solution pronto.

Each day of delay costs the grocer about $20,000 in lost gross profit.

With such economics they'd rather fix than fight, and they'd want it fixed overnight.

One new grocery store made the painters so happy: three different color schemes applied over 96 hours round the clock to satisfy the CEO.

I saw a theater change its color scheme three times in three days. But delay the opening: no way.


Tesla
Re: It would have been easer to Use 3R equipment #115152
09/07/06 07:47 PM
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Bob:
Only place I remember anything like this.....Jersey City, NJ

Jersey Journal Newspaper offit (then). One service in basement, actually under sidwwalk, had a 4" drip pan over top of all the gear. Drain pipes down to sump pumps.

John


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