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Insufficient Clearance #114759
06/20/03 09:17 PM
06/20/03 09:17 PM
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What you don’t see is farther to the left. There is some Romex that has not yet been terminated at the panel.

I guess the electrician won’t be too happy when he sees what the plumber did [Linked Image]
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Re: Insufficient Clearance #114760
06/20/03 11:31 PM
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HEY,
That IS insufficient clearance........ HOW the H@#L's a plumber supposed to work in an area with that d@#$%d panel door hitting him in the back?????????? [Linked Image]

Re: Insufficient Clearance #114761
06/21/03 12:55 AM
06/21/03 12:55 AM
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Don't you just hate it when Plumbers do this!!.
George, you're right on the money there!.

Re: Insufficient Clearance #114762
06/21/03 01:41 AM
06/21/03 01:41 AM
Bill Addiss  Offline
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Thanks TG,

It doesn't look like there's any working space in front of that Panelboard, which would be a clear violation.

Here's a slightly different situation:

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You have to go between the Oil Tank and the wall to get to the Service Panelboard here. There's about 12 inches max of space to get through but there may be 3 feet in front of the panel itself when you get there.

Can any violation be cited here?

Bill

Re: Insufficient Clearance #114763
06/21/03 08:37 AM
06/21/03 08:37 AM
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Bill,
If this is the only access, you bet it can be cited. BOCA, or IBC either one require certain spacing for access halls. The minimum, applying all exceptions, etc, would be 2 feet, and IF it is the emergency egress path for anyone working in there, it's gotta be 3 feet minimum.

Lemme know if you need, I don't carry those books home with me, but can look it up for ya.

Re: Insufficient Clearance #114764
06/21/03 09:10 AM
06/21/03 09:10 AM
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This looks to be a remodel job. Just from a plumbers perspective,the dwv line could have been lowered to hug the floor,but this appears to be the main dwv exit from the building.

It seems as though the plumbing would have been under the slab in the original construction,hence,it was there first and approved.

It appears the electrician made a poor choice of panel location.

We do both,and try to avoid these situations,butsometimes,they both wind up in the same room.

Poor planning it seems,on the part of both trades.

Russell

Re: Insufficient Clearance #114765
06/21/03 09:40 AM
06/21/03 09:40 AM
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George,

Yes it is the only access. In the picture I'm standing in front of the panel looking back at the only access route to the equipment.

I'm not involved in any issue with this in particular, but it would be nice to know that something does exist and I could pass on the info to the next Bonehead I see putting up walls like this. GRRRR

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Bill

Re: Insufficient Clearance #114766
06/21/03 10:22 PM
06/21/03 10:22 PM
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ThinkGood  Offline
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George Corron:
As it stands now, the door to the panel is open, so maybe the plumber can just remove the door and that's that. [Linked Image]

ga.sparky56:

Your explanation is right on the mark. Many times the homeowner wants all of the utilities off to one corner so they can box them in once the basement is finished.

Maybe one of these might help...

Re: Insufficient Clearance #114767
06/21/03 11:36 PM
06/21/03 11:36 PM
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TG,
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Many times the homeowner wants all of the utilities off to one corner so they can box them in once the basement is finished.
Very true. It's a real problem sometimes.

Bill

Re: Insufficient Clearance #114768
06/22/03 07:17 PM
06/22/03 07:17 PM
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Is it common to see a gas meter in an enclosed space like this? The meters around here are either located under the house in the crawlspace or mounted to the out side of the house. It also seems like a poor idea to situate it that close to the panel, or situate the panel that close to the meter. But the the real kicker is the conductor that runs from somewhere near the top of the panel and the uses the face of the meter as a cord wrap! [Linked Image]

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