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Service Entrance Panel #114318
02/20/03 02:30 PM
02/20/03 02:30 PM
Admin  Offline
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[Linked Image]
I found this Service Entrance Panel on a farm in Illinois. It was installed by a Plumber, who thought he was an Electrician.

Bill Christensen

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Re: Service Entrance Panel #114319
02/20/03 03:58 PM
02/20/03 03:58 PM
mamills  Offline
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 745
Wharton, Texas, USA
[Linked Image]

Numerous code violations not-withstanding, This guy must have spent quite a good deal of time fabricating this "masterpiece" [Linked Image]. There are, of course, 3R panels readily available that are designed to safely serve this particular function, certainly at far less cost.

I guess he gets an "A" for creativity, but not for anything else.

Mike (mamills)

Re: Service Entrance Panel #114320
02/21/03 07:11 AM
02/21/03 07:11 AM
sparky  Offline
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,344
Not to defend this, but i'm an electricain who thought to be a plumber at times in my own home.....

btw~ farms are exempt from OSHA i believe...

Re: Service Entrance Panel #114321
02/21/03 05:38 PM
02/21/03 05:38 PM
txsparky  Offline
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 552
Magnolia,.Texas U.S.A.
from sparky... farms are exempt from OSHA i believe...

Why is this? They employ also.

[This message has been edited by txsparky (edited 02-21-2003).]

Re: Service Entrance Panel #114322
02/21/03 07:33 PM
02/21/03 07:33 PM
Bjarney  Offline
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,527
West-Southern Inner-Northeast ...
The upper lefthand breaker looks like one of those fancy “phase adder” units that magically make 3ø from a plain old 2-wire service.

Re: Service Entrance Panel #114323
02/22/03 12:56 PM
02/22/03 12:56 PM
ZackDitner  Offline
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 47
Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
When using #14 copper with a 30A breaker it looks like it's a good idea to protect the neutral as well. lol

Re: Service Entrance Panel #114324
02/22/03 05:25 PM
02/22/03 05:25 PM
sparky  Offline
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,344
dunno, but the fact that EMS has a dedicated 'Farmedic' course speaks volumes....

Re: Service Entrance Panel #114325
02/23/03 12:45 AM
02/23/03 12:45 AM
circuit man  Offline
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 273
[Linked Image] now that's spooky!

Re: Service Entrance Panel #114326
02/25/03 02:08 AM
02/25/03 02:08 AM
SvenNYC  Offline
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,691
New York City
Is it just me or is that four wires (two whites and two bare coppers) going into the bottom left terminal of that silver-coloured block?

It's the one that has the single copper wire coming out the top (next to the fat black wire)

I thought you were only allowed to connect one wire per terminal screw unless specifically listed?

There's also two black wires connected to the bottom of the left-most 30-amp breaker (in the trio at top left).

Re: Service Entrance Panel #114327
02/25/03 01:41 PM
02/25/03 01:41 PM
Joe Tedesco  Offline
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 2,749
Boston, Massachusetts USA

Both of the added circuit breakers, on the left side, are installed in an enclosure designed only for one.

Yes, the question you ask can be answered by reference to 110.14.

PS: That glow label in the upper left says something about therminations when aluminum is used.

If some one can take a clear picture of this somewhere and post it or send it to me, it includes the instructions related to terminations.

[This message has been edited by Joe Tedesco (edited 02-25-2003).]

Joe Tedesco, NEC Consultant
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