ECN Electrical Forum - Discussion Forums for Electricians, Inspectors and Related Professionals
ECN Shout Chat
Top Posters(30 Days)
Potseal 11
Recent Posts
600 KW 120/208 3 Phase Y protection
by SteveFehr. 07/23/17 09:46 AM
1913 American Electrician's Handbook
by gfretwell. 07/20/17 01:08 PM
Green House wiring
by ghost307. 07/20/17 09:10 AM
Permit Snafus...AHJs and Contractors Jump in
by HotLine1. 07/18/17 08:06 PM
New in the Gallery:
SE cable question
Popular Topics(Views)
239,260 Are you busy
174,689 Re: Forum
167,090 Need opinion
Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 65 guests, and 11 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#113823 - 10/09/02 10:50 PM Outdoor sign...  
Admin  Offline

Administrator
Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 3,447
NY, USA
[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]

[Linked Image]
Quote
I was asked by a signage contractor who is a regular customer of mine to take a look at the power for an outdoor billboard along the interstate...okay, I looked at it...now what? Just kidding.

I thought you might find these pictures somewhat interesting. I'm sure this is an evolutionary installation that has grown this way over the years but it's still interesting.

- Hiwire8


Tools for Electricians:

#113824 - 10/10/02 06:52 AM Re: Outdoor sign...  
Redsy  Offline
Member
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,056
Bucks County PA
What's with the fuse holders? Are those actually grounded conductors under the L2 load terminals?
Can you describe this whole arrangement?


#113825 - 10/10/02 09:36 AM Re: Outdoor sign...  
mamills  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 745
Wharton, Texas, USA
Hiwire;
Maybe I'm all wet here, but the only wiring I see at the top of this enclosure seems to enter the top of the smaller internal enclosure with the two fuses.

Some kind of a weird main disconnect/OCPD?

Mike (mamills)


#113826 - 10/10/02 09:45 AM Re: Outdoor sign...  
txsparky  Offline
Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 552
Magnolia,.Texas U.S.A.
Looks like a name and phone # on the FPE panel cover."Give em a call for all your lektrik needs " [Linked Image]


Donnie

#113827 - 10/10/02 10:00 AM Re: Outdoor sign...  
sparky66wv  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 2,236
West Virginia
Ooooo! I didn't notice the stab-loks before!

Good eye, Donnie!


-Virgil
Residential/Commercial Inspector
5 Star Inspections
Member IAEI

#113828 - 10/10/02 11:18 AM Re: Outdoor sign...  
SvenNYC  Offline
Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,691
New York City
Gotta love that dangling wall-socket, just hanging in the breeze!!!

Did the genius who hooked that thing in there even have the decency of wrapping it up with 'lectrical tape??? Sure wouldn't want to plug anything into that.

And that rat's nest of wires that it goes to.

I think I would run away from there...arms waving wildly and screaming at the top of my lungs.


#113829 - 10/10/02 12:39 PM Re: Outdoor sign...  
Bjarney  Offline
Moderator
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,527
West-Southern Inner-Northeast ...
The 5-15R has to be for mandatory troubleshooter's coffee-pot power/loadbank.

Doesn’t the ~6AWG-solid-looking white {RHW?} groundage electrode conductor passing over the front of the contactor look particularly inviting?

Missing is the obligatory chained-down laminated-fishpaper fuse pullers for operating the “service disconnecting means.”

Maybe a disclaimer is needed on the front cover—“Non-Deadfront/Non-Touchsafe within.”


#113830 - 10/10/02 01:02 PM Re: Outdoor sign...  
mamills  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 745
Wharton, Texas, USA
Did anyone notice that nice ragged hole in the back of the enclosure for the load wiring to said sign?

Interesting contactor, too...along with the still live vegetation.

Mike (mamills)


#113831 - 10/10/02 08:51 PM Re: Outdoor sign...  
HotLine1  Offline


Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 6,853
Brick, NJ USA
OK, let's see if I got this....
You need a screwdriver to get to the "main", and you need fusepullers.
The feed goes from the meter, to the fuse block, to the contactor, then to the FPE, and out the gnawed hole to get up to the signage. Then there's the "convenience outlet" that looks like it's tapped off of the left fuse. (Guess they're 60's by size, compared to the tc face) Clock is tapped off of the fuse (or line side of contactor)

WOW, that's similar to a mess we found last Monday. Vintage work, many "patches", it's time to "run like heck", or rip it all out & start over.
John


John

#113832 - 10/11/02 10:13 AM Re: Outdoor sign...  
mamills  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 745
Wharton, Texas, USA
Hiwire:
Any sign of a fuse to protect the control circuit (timer and contactor coil)?

I'm kinda curious too about that quad of white wires under L2 in that fuse cutout...
I think I see it now...looks like it goes to one of the line terminals of the contactor (4 small wires vs. 1 large wire).

Mike (mamills)

[This message has been edited by mamills (edited 10-11-2002).]

[This message has been edited by mamills (edited 10-11-2002).]


Page 1 of 2 1 2

Member Spotlight
electure
electure
Fullerton, CA USA
Posts: 4,260
Joined: December 2000
Show All Member Profiles 
Featured:

2017 NEC and Related
2017 NEC
Now Available!

Shout Box
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0
Page Time: 0.016s Queries: 15 (0.003s) Memory: 0.8181 MB (Peak: 0.9935 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2017-07-24 00:52:50 UTC