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2 Many Meters #112396
06/13/01 11:00 PM
06/13/01 11:00 PM
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The owner here wanted a price to add another 400 A meter & main to this service. When I told him he was in for some more work than that, (count 7 already) he became somewhat upset. Seems another "electrician" had just left after telling him he could "cut in" another.... right into the front of the utility pull box / landing lugs.(???) The customer thinks I'm full of it. (Like that clearance?)
I'm still laughing.

Electure



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Re: 2 Many Meters #112397
06/14/01 05:10 AM
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electure,
is the box to the left a main disco?

Re: 2 Many Meters #112398
06/14/01 06:56 AM
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No, there is no main disconnect! That's the utility pull section. They'll have a can of worms opened soon. There are 3 buildings like this, each with 7 services.

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Re: 2 Many Meters #112399
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7????

seven???

as in the # after 6 ?

how could this be energized in the 1st place?
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Re: 2 Many Meters #112400
06/15/01 06:23 AM
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Yesiree, 7 as in 7. That's the #. Our price will include a Main switch, which will probably give the customer a coronary. I don't know how they got these things bought off, maybe the inspector's dog ate Article 230 from his book. I'll bet that the planner now, 30 yrs later, has a different view. (I still have the mental pic of the other guy, tracing around a 3 lb coffee can lid, and whipping out a jigsaw to cut a hole in the front of that pullsection for his new meter)...I'm still laughing.

Re: 2 Many Meters #112401
06/15/01 06:58 AM
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I don't think that there is a violation here. 230-40 exception #1 permits one set of service entrance conductors for each occupancy. 230-71(a) permits 6 disconnects for each set of service entrance conductors.
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Re: 2 Many Meters #112402
06/15/01 04:34 PM
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would you guys be willing to get into 230-40, all the exceptions inparticular, a bit more ????

Re: 2 Many Meters #112403
06/15/01 05:31 PM
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I don't think that there is a violation here.


Other than the working clearances, I'll assume!! [Linked Image]


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Re: 2 Many Meters #112404
06/15/01 08:27 PM
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. 230-40,ex1 Service is 120/208
. " " ex2 Doesn't apply
. " " ex3 Doesn't apply
. " " ex4 Doesn't apply
. " " ex5 Doesn't apply
Ooops, I shouldn't have been in a '99 book. (There's a change) I still don't buy it, I believe the service point is at the landing lugs in the utility pullsection. From there the service entrance conductors can only have 6 disconnects.



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Re: 2 Many Meters #112405
06/15/01 10:24 PM
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230-40: Exception No. 1: Buildings with one or more than one occupancy shall be permitted to have one set of service-entrance conductors for each class of service run to each occupancy or group of occupancies.


Each occupancy can have its own set of service conductors. If an occupancy requires more than one class of service it is permitted to have a set of service entrance conductors for ecah class of service. 240-71(a) says that each set of service conductors permitted by 240-30 Ex.#1 shall be permitted to have six disconnect switches. I'm assuming that each meter serves a seperate occupancy.

Sparky66,
Yes, I agree that there is a 110-26 violation here.

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